View Poll Results: Is communism possible in the USA?

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  • Yes, Soviet type of communism

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  • Yes, community type of communism

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  • Yes, religious type of communism

    2 1.77%
  • Yes, other type of communism

    14 12.39%
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by jag2594 View Post
    why didn't you say something on post 410 page 41 ?
    because it was a stupid and irrelevent post that made no sense and had no point?


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    Yes it does matter, their is a reason why in the marine corp most people are called POG. Army And Marine corp are not the same as Coast Guard.
    whatever dude.
    and again...WTF does the Coast Guard have to do with anything?
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    so sorry dude but you are wrong again.

    1. there are plenty of Marine (notice the capital "M") Corp balls that include both enlisted and officers. FWIW, the Army no longer even has "officer" only clubs.

    2. promotions are not, repeat not, based on the number of combat tours. enlisted promotions are based on time in service, time in grade, PT scores, marksmanship scores, number and types of awards and decorations. Officer promotions are based on time in grade and duty performance. it doesn't matter how many combat tours you do, until you have completed the minimum time in grade...you cannot be promoted

    3. I have given you multiple examples of how your "wah, wah the infantry does more physical work" is simply and plainly bull****.

    4. ever heard of the GI bill? tuition assistance? "green to gold" program? My daughter got her college degree paid for by serving as an enlisted soldier in the army national guard. She is now an officer in the Naval Reserves.

    5. In the civil war and almost all other wars before and after...Generals had a lower chance of dying than any other rank.

    once again...you post from ignorance

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    so sorry dude but you are wrong again.

    1. there are plenty of Marine (notice the capital "M") Corp balls that include both enlisted and officers. FWIW, the Army no longer even has "officer" only clubs.

    2. promotions are not, repeat not, based on the number of combat tours. enlisted promotions are based on time in service, time in grade, PT scores, marksmanship scores, number and types of awards and decorations. Officer promotions are based on time in grade and duty performance. it doesn't matter how many combat tours you do, until you have completed the minimum time in grade...you cannot be promoted

    3. I have given you multiple examples of how your "wah, wah the infantry does more physical work" is simply and plainly bull****.

    4. ever heard of the GI bill? tuition assistance? "green to gold" program? My daughter got her college degree paid for by serving as an enlisted soldier in the army national guard. She is now an officer in the Naval Reserves.

    5. In the civil war and almost all other wars before and after...Generals had a lower chance of dying than any other rank.

    once again...you post from ignorance

    Option #4-Continue with past tradition of separate events for each entity.

    http://ncnga.org/wp-content/uploads/...ember-2011.pdf

    They are separated, trust me. They don't like each other most of the time. All the ones I have been to separated.

    After two tours an officer is usually promoted captain, after that they do more administered work.

    An infantry enlisted does more work as the ranks of officers gets higher. They have a stressful job, than others mos. It shouldn't matter that an infantry doesn't see combat. They still have field weeks, 25 mile humps ( not sure how often) ,sleeping on the ground, feel five years older and other characteristics. Again Marine Infantry not the coast guard.

    Money wise they get out and cant find a jobs. They usually have problems go homeless for a while. Living on food stamps and other services., for a few years eventually with help getting back on their feet. Also if it was for the Left and thousands of vets you and your daughter would get nothing for your service. Every Heard of the bonus army. Every heard of General Smedley Butler, the man who told the truth about his service. He knew that he was being abuse as an officer.

    I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

    But generals in the civil war had a higher chances that the early 1900s. ulysses s grant was always dirty while President.

    Again you fail to see the other side.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Your troll-fu is weak padawan

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    First page. Communism in the U.S.? LOLNO

    Last page. The ****ing Coast Guard? What? Hey, let's talk about global warming and the NSA while we're at it!
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    I'm up for that,
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by jag2594 View Post
    Option #4-Continue with past tradition of separate events for each entity.

    http://ncnga.org/wp-content/uploads/...ember-2011.pdf

    They are separated, trust me. They don't like each other most of the time.
    you trust me. I have been in the military since 1984. I have attended hundreds of balls, dining ins, dining outs, etc, etc and I have never been to one where the enlisted and officers were not together.
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by jag2594 View Post


    After two tours an officer is usually promoted captain, after that they do more administered work.

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    hey sparky, a 1LT (O2) is automatically promoted to Captain (O3) after two years UNLESS he is a major league ****-up or he fails to complete a 4 year degree. guess how long it takes to do 2 tours?

    An E2 is promoted to E3 after 4 MONTHS

    again and again. the number of combat tours plays virtually no part in getting promoted, regardless of what they told you on "call of duty"
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Because some people actually believe that someone else having a bigger piece than them is unfair, like you're taking it from them.

    It's one thing if the economy or wealth was zero-sum. It'd actually be like that. The problem is that it's not.
    You present a very typical argument against communism. But it's reflective of a misunderstanding of communist class theory. See, Marx was big on equality and all that, but it wasn't his most important contribution. No, Marx (and Proudhon and Cohen) should be credited for explaining that private property isn't a natural occurrence, and that it facilitates generation of profit.

    If you go back to, say, 1 million BC, you would have found that everything was free - you just needed to access it. But then rulers privatized it, and bourgeois revolutions later seized it for capitalists; that's where we are today. Owners of property have denied universal access to a basic standard of living (which could exist in a modern context through communitarian social models). It's known that the natural world was not always something to be paid for. Its access was open to all the world's cooperative mini-societies, provided they were of appropriate human capacity. And this sort of universality of property can, and should be applied to a modern context. Not only because it's just, but also due to the exploitative state of modern property systems.

    Unfortunately, capitalism has these troubling things called profits and non-productive classes. To allow their existence (in a competitive consumer market), producers need to take cuts in their income, the difference between their productive value and their wages comprising the share of wealth allocated to the aforementioned. This, at its core, is exploitation.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Org View Post
    You present a very typical argument against communism. But it's reflective of a misunderstanding of communist class theory. See, Marx was big on equality and all that, but it wasn't his most important contribution. No, Marx (and Proudhon and Cohen) should be credited for explaining that private property isn't a natural occurrence, and that it facilitates generation of profit.

    If you go back to, say, 1 million BC, you would have found that everything was free - you just needed to access it. But then rulers privatized it, and bourgeois revolutions later seized it for capitalists; that's where we are today. Owners of property have denied universal access to a basic standard of living (which could exist in a modern context through communitarian social models). It's known that the natural world was not always something to be paid for. Its access was open to all the world's cooperative mini-societies, provided they were of appropriate human capacity. And this sort of universality of property can, and should be applied to a modern context. Not only because it's just, but also due to the exploitative state of modern property systems.

    Unfortunately, capitalism has these troubling things called profits and non-productive classes. To allow their existence (in a competitive consumer market), producers need to take cuts in their income, the difference between their productive value and their wages comprising the share of wealth allocated to the aforementioned. This, at its core, is exploitation.
    So you're saying that communism essentially cannot work because man, and society, evolves. I think I can agree with this.

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