View Poll Results: Is communism possible in the USA?

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  • Yes, community type of communism

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  • Yes, religious type of communism

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wikipedia
    Another effect of technology is a homogenous workforce that can be easily replaceable. Marx believed that this class conflict would result in the overthrow of the bourgeoisie and that the private property would be communally owned.[15] The mode of production would remain, but communal ownership would eliminate class conflict.[15]
    It's not possible, it's just conjecture from someone trying to solve issues from years past, that failed.

    Overthrow of the ruling class is certainly nothing new to history. That they would communally own it is fiction. That this communal ownership, even if it were realistic, would eliminate class conflict, is a second fiction. People create classes and differentiate themselves in terms of power naturally, for all sorts of petty and real reasons. That it would be "eliminated" just because of a revolution where they claimed to be sharing, is just absurd.

    This is seen all the time when we see Marxist types then claim it's never been tried. Sure it has, but in reality when people are faced with communal ownership, it's like a Ouija board, someone just can't help but manipulate the system and the cycle starts all over again. Such revolution talk is inherently dangerous because based on history, a capitalistic and free nation like the U.S. is like winning the lottery on the spectrum of what you could end up with if you restart your society. Look around in even very modern history to see examples of what their revolutions resulted in.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    It's not possible, it's just conjecture from someone trying to solve issues from years past, that failed.

    Overthrow of the ruling class is certainly nothing new to history. That they would communally own it is fiction. That this communal ownership, even if it were realistic, would eliminate class conflict, is a second fiction. People create classes and differentiate themselves in terms of power naturally, for all sorts of petty and real reasons. That it would be "eliminated" just because of a revolution where they claimed to be sharing, is just absurd.

    This is seen all the time when we see Marxist types then claim it's never been tried. Sure it has, but in reality when people are faced with communal ownership, it's like a Ouija board, someone just can't help but manipulate the system and the cycle starts all over again. Such revolution talk is inherently dangerous because based on history, a capitalistic and free nation like the U.S. is like winning the lottery on the spectrum of what you could end up with if you restart your society. Look around in even very modern history to see examples of what their revolutions resulted in.
    Marxist/Socialist/Communist societies did achieve communal ownership.... only with a dictator in supreme command of all the communal property. It's societal slavery - I mean, after all, who are the slaves if we ALL are slaves?
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and the fact that all you got from my post is this shows that you don't know what the hell you are talking about. enlisted have their job to do, officers have their job to do. neither is "inferior". maybe if you ever actually serve in the military (or make it beyond lance corporal) you might actually get a clue.
    My argument is that the enlisted get over worked, get less pay, and are devalued in our military. Do you believe that they should get payed more? I mean, you didn't stay enlisted. You became an officer, which may indicate that you were not content being an enlisted.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    You really should take some classes in economics because you don't know what you are talking about. The rich don't just "collect cash" and stash it under their mattress. The rich typically have most of their money in assets and not all of them are liquid but even the liquid assets are still at work in the economy. Maybe you want to argue that they have a mansion and that's just money sitting there that's "not in the economy", but if you do then you have to ignore the fact that they had to pay hard cash for that and that the value of that property and all the work being done on it went "back into the economy". When you read about some super-rich mogul worth a billion dollars, you might think that's money that has been "extracted from the economy" but it's not. It's wealth that person created through his business and unless it's cash sitting under his mattress, his wealth is never just "locked up" doing nothing.



    Seiously, learn something about economics and then come back and discuss the beauty of communism with us.
    Its called off shore accounts, swiss accounts, pretty sure you haven't heard of it.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Marxist/Socialist/Communist societies did achieve communal ownership.... only with a dictator in supreme command of all the communal property. It's societal slavery - I mean, after all, who are the slaves if we ALL are slaves?
    I know it's like they have never even seen that absurd reality show Survivor. Everyone has a vote, yet power immediately is stratified and groups in power control the votes. Despite everyone "owning" an equal share of votes, the powers that form naturally and inevitably (and immediately) STILL dictate the outcome. Sure, give us all equal ownership after brutal killing the former owners. Call yourselves virtuous, and the next day charismatic leaders will again be calling the shots, but this time, with blood on their hands corruption as they creed.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Papa keeps his stash in a booby trapped floorsafe

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    My kid graduates lawl school next May
    We were talkin' 'bout how he should turn down that 100K a year wage slave position he's bean offered cuz yanno
    yer nevah gonna git rich spending all yer time workin' to make someone else rich

    and the beat goes on...
    I don't consider 100k being rich. far from it actually.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    I know it's like they have never even seen that absurd reality show Survivor. Everyone has a vote, yet power immediately is stratified and groups in power control the votes. Despite everyone "owning" an equal share of votes, the powers that form naturally and inevitably (and immediately) STILL dictate the outcome. Sure, give us all equal ownership after brutal killing the former owners. Call yourselves virtuous, and the next day charismatic leaders will again be calling the shots, but this time, with blood on their hands corruption as they creed.
    The russians were ready to accept a romantic marxism revolution, even though their economic wasn't.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    yer right Jag it's minimum wage that's why he'd not even consider it :P

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    If the current trends of laziness and apathy towards competition accelerate growth, which they probably will largely due to technology, then I suppose other economic systems will become possible. So I think socialism is very possible. Communism? No. People like their own "stuff", myself included. You can't share unless I tell you so
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