View Poll Results: Is communism possible in the USA?

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  • Yes, religious type of communism

    2 1.77%
  • Yes, other type of communism

    14 12.39%
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    gee I dunno once the Affordable Care Act fully implements I don't know where them Canadians are going to go to get good health care
    Well, they can always go to Costa Rica or India where a lot of Americans who can't afford health care have been going.



    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    yup moot there's more of em everyday either fleeing from California or scurrying across our secure southern border.
    Just like the white evangelical migrant farm workers that scurried there during the depression to get jobs with FDRs New Deal. Yup, they got their piece of the American pie and now they don't want anyone else to have any. So I find it very hard to believe there are very many socialists/commies in Phoenix. Tucson, maybe, but not Phoenix.
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by jag2594 View Post
    When people understand the task and are working together towards a goal, that is not lack of self awareness. Competition is trying to eliminate the opponent, not the same thing. There are reason why the enlisted hate officers, same with owners and workers. The conflict of interest is ignored, instead of officers joining in, they rather sit in their tents. Workers do most of the work, owners are just concentrated on formulas, statistics and status.
    Ah, so in your world owners and workers hate each other. Maybe you better just speak from your own perspective and I'll just accept that you hate whoever you work for. Most people don't. If you want to own a business, start a business. If you don't, then you can always sell your labor to someone else or engage in some other sort of productive trade. Most people don't have what it takes to go into business for themselves, so they ply their trade by selling their labor to an employer. The really small and petty among them hate their employer because they accepted the exchange of work for money. AT least here in the USA, it's a free country. If you don't like who you're working for, start your own business, move out to the middle of nowhere and raise your own food, start a commune.... If you hate whoever it is you work for, then I'd suggest taking one of those options so you can avoid the natural conflict your anti-social feelings will inevitably create if someone is foolish enough to give you a job.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Don't know much about biology, do you?
    Actually, I do. And nothing in this discussion has very much to do with it.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by jag2594 View Post
    exactly, some people side with the rich (even though they aren't) and some side with middle class. Its class warfare, except only one side knows its a war( rich).
    Only the rich acknowledge it. It's a war the left is hell-bent on waging. Class-envy is a terrible thing, but it's human nature. People see what they don't have and they want it. They don't see what it took to get it and most sure as HELL don't care about doing what it takes to get it, but they still want the reward. That's why we have police and court systems and prisons. Without them, many of the have-nots that lack the work ethic to achieve the rewards they wish themselves also lack the decency not to act on their baser impulses. The prisons are full of people that fail to follow such rules and are unable to resist the temptation to steal what they want instead of working for it like everyone else.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    To save the poll from influence, I will spare my opinion for the time being.

    So, is communism possible in the USA?
    What do you mean by "possible"?

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    in a war you destroy your enemy
    in a capitalist society an employer's profitability would certainly be damaged
    if he killed his employees and customers?

    help me out here jag how do you measure wealth
    thereby allowing you to decide who the Rich are?
    in a war targeting the enemy is crucial, right?
    In the civil war, there was a high chance of a general to die in war now its basically zero. Class warfare is not literally killing each other, wages and profits are what is being fought for.

    The rich are the one 7 percent, not a small business owner. The walton family, Jay-z, newt gingrich, bill maher, john kerry, clinton family, rockefellers, vanderbilt and others. They are no democrats or republicans in their world, Just rich and poor.

    The middle class doesn't understand this.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Actually, I do. And nothing in this discussion has very much to do with it.
    Apparently note - at least when it comes to bees, ants, and genetics - or you wouldn't have said anything so silly.
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    communism is a great system, if applied to relatively small population groups of like-minded individuals. The problem comes in when you try to apply it to a society comprised of hundreds of millions of people.
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Communism as traditionally enforced is not possible under the current Constitution.
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Ah, so in your world owners and workers hate each other. Maybe you better just speak from your own perspective and I'll just accept that you hate whoever you work for. Most people don't. If you want to own a business, start a business. If you don't, then you can always sell your labor to someone else or engage in some other sort of productive trade. Most people don't have what it takes to go into business for themselves, so they ply their trade by selling their labor to an employer. The really small and petty among them hate their employer because they accepted the exchange of work for money. AT least here in the USA, it's a free country. If you don't like who you're working for, start your own business, move out to the middle of nowhere and raise your own food, start a commune.... If you hate whoever it is you work for, then I'd suggest taking one of those options so you can avoid the natural conflict your anti-social feelings will inevitably create if someone is foolish enough to give you a job.
    Its not foolish when you get paid nickles and dimes. IN Europe, every student wants to go to switzerland for work. Do you know why, its because they get paid fair.Why does the walton family need enough money for the next five generations? Thats Feudalism not capitalism.


    This is not a free country, to start a business you have to be an "accredited investor".
    It is basically just a financial threshold. For individual investors, you need a net worth of $1 million (alone or with spouse) OR annual income of $200,000 (or $300,000 in joint income with spouse) in the two most recent years, with an expectation that you will continue to earn that this year.

    From the SEC website http://www.sec.gov/answers/accre..., an Accredited Investor is defined as one of the following:

    a bank, insurance company, registered investment company, business development company, or small business investment company;
    an employee benefit plan, within the meaning of the Employee Retirement Income Security Act, if a bank, insurance company, or registered investment adviser makes the investment decisions, or if the plan has total assets in excess of $5 million;
    a charitable organization, corporation, or partnership with assets exceeding $5 million;
    a director, executive officer, or general partner of the company selling the securities;
    a business in which all the equity owners are accredited investors;
    a natural person who has individual net worth, or joint net worth with the person’s spouse, that exceeds $1 million at the time of the purchase.
    a natural person with income exceeding $200,000 in each of the two most recent years or joint income with a spouse exceeding $300,000 for those years and a reasonable expectation of the same income level in the current year; or
    a trust with assets in excess of $5 million, not formed to acquire the securities offered, whose purchases a sophisticated person makes.

    Most people don't have that kind of money.

    One more thing, Have you ever been to a marine corp ball? Enlisted marines celebrated together, with no officers.

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