View Poll Results: Is communism possible in the USA?

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  • Yes, community type of communism

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  • Yes, religious type of communism

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  • Yes, other type of communism

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    OK, how about this kind of communism?

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    No... It's highly unlikely. the possibility of communism returning to any country in the Free World is limited.

    We must remember that communism never sprung out by itself in any free country. Russia was an absolute monarchy when it was overtaken by the reds. China was also a dictatorship when the first revolts sprung. Cuba wasn't really a democracy,etc.

    So no. No country that has a tradition of freedom and liberty ever turned to communism without external "help".

    The most powerful of communist countries, China, doesn't have the influence or power to spread it's communism around the world since it very much depends on the free world for its continuous growth.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    We must remember that communism never sprung out by itself in any free country. Russia was an absolute monarchy when it was overtaken by the reds. China was also a dictatorship when the first revolts sprung. Cuba wasn't really a democracy,etc.
    Communism is not a trade mark of Mr. Karl Marx, you know.
    In fact, what he proposed is just the opposite of Communism.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    OK, how about this kind of communism?
    That's not communism. it's communualism (people living in a very tight community with very strong traditions). And it's a type of society that can never be adopted by the masses since it's backwards and anti-progress... which means that even if it is adopted (by miracle) by the masses, it's lifespan will be short. And the people who adopt it will, in time, fall behind the rest of the world which will overtake them.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Communism is not a trade mark of Mr. Karl Marx, you know.
    In fact, what he proposed is just the opposite of Communism.
    For better or for worse, the term Communism refers to a specific ideology that does have Karl Marx as one of its main theorists.

    I understand you want to use it to refer to other forms of societal arrangements, but that only obscures the discussion.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Communism is not a trade mark of Mr. Karl Marx, you know.
    In fact, what he proposed is just the opposite of Communism.
    I know that marxist communism is not the only kind of communism. And marxism-lenninism was a pretty close catch to what Marx intended. It wasn't completely identical to what he proposed because what he proposed was delusional and impossible to realize in the world (because he was a moron who couldn't think properly) but it was close enough.
    Stalinism was another version of communism.
    Chinesse communism comes in around 3-4 stages, from Mao's kind of communism to what we have today in China it's very different. Especially economically.

    Communism was implemented differently in each of the countries that was under the iron curtain at different stages in the lifespan of the socialist republics.
    Cuban communism was not like soviet communism either. And what was cubban communism 30 years ago is not what it is today.
    N. Korean communism is not like any of the above 100%.

    Just like every country in the free world is different and implements the ideas of freedom and liberty and capitalism differently, in wide variations, so is communism. Marx and Engel were the gay parents of communism, but the children that adopted their mentality ran in all directions and adapted it to how they saw it.

    Gay parents here doesn't mean that they were gay. No, Marx may have been a pedo but that's not important now. Nor is it an attack on gay parents. But both Marx and Engel were men, so I couldn't say that they had children... it doesn't make sense.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    For better or for worse, the term Communism refers to a specific ideology that does have Karl Marx as one of its main theorists.

    I understand you want to use it to refer to other forms of societal arrangements, but that only obscures the discussion.
    Actually, you are wrong. It's true that Marxist communism is the most popular one, but as you can see here, there is a much broader definition of that term too:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism#Early_communism

    There is even an entire entry on "religious communism":
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_communism

    Or "utopian communism":
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopian_socialism
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    For better or for worse, the term Communism refers to a specific ideology that does have Karl Marx as one of its main theorists.

    I understand you want to use it to refer to other forms of societal arrangements, but that only obscures the discussion.
    If I call myself Superman it doesn't mean that I am. Communism comes from "commune".

    Anyway, your remark is right and I learned the distinction between Communism and Communalism.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Actually, you are wrong. It's true that Marxist communism is the most popular one, but as you can see here, there is a much broader definition of that term too:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism#Early_communism

    There is even an entire entry on "religious communism":
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_communism

    Or "utopian communism":
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopian_socialism
    So your point is that Communism means everything and thus absolutely nothing?

    By those terms North Korea is a democracy, since it calls itself a democracy.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    So your point is that Communism means everything and thus absolutely nothing?

    By those terms North Korea is a democracy, since it calls itself a democracy.
    No, that is not what I am saying.
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