View Poll Results: Is communism possible in the USA?

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  • Yes, Soviet type of communism

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  • Yes, community type of communism

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  • Yes, religious type of communism

    2 1.77%
  • Yes, other type of communism

    14 12.39%
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngyOldGuy
    well well well now
    isn't that special?

    I'm sure those 6 million Kulaks would agree?
    They would if they are reasonable. It was the progression from Lenin to Stalin, along with an unhealthy dose of at least 1000 years of oppression, that led to their plight. Marx would have been horrified...just as I suspect Jesus would be quite horrified at many of the actions taken in his name by those who profess to follow him today.

    Don't get me wrong...I have a great deal more respect for Jesus than I do for Marx, and in a sense, the two were operating on entirely different planes. But Christianity has some ideas which are in harmony with those of Communism, and indeed, some of the core ideals are similar.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    yeah me too
    I can hardly wait for communism to be fully implemented in America
    finally we'll have the chance for it to succeed

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    I suspect that full-on implementation of Communism, or even Socialism, is ill-advised anywhere. But contrary to some opinions expressed by artevelde, the flaw with communism is not its bloodthirstiness, but rather, its lack of appreciation for the forces that direct human society. I think there has to be a balance between cooperation and competition, personal freedom and social responsibility, and communism goes too far in one direction. This makes it an unworkable system, IMO.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Then clearly you'd agree that laissez faire capitalism would be taking it too far in the other direction Right?

    After all that would just be too much of a good thing

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Yes, that does go too far the other way. The few times it's been tried, it resulted in some very bad consequences.

    I think there should be a balance between competition and cooperation. Without cooperation built into our economic model, we have no real economy, and really, not even a society. There's a reason people band together, and we have to respect those reasons as being conducive to survival and maximally desirable outcomes for the most individuals. But without competition, there's no reason for someone to work any harder than absolutely necessary to get by. People who work hard, work smart, etc. should have a better life than those who do not.

    Of course, this leaves a lot of details to be discussed. But this is my personal starting-point, anyway.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Help me out buddy enlighten me
    where and when was "The few times it's been tried"

    and tell all about the "very bad consequences"

    that resulted.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Thats true, it wouldn't the USA anymore. It would be an authoritarian theocracy with all the communist bells and whistles. And since Jesus preached socialism....it would be an easy switch......if only it weren't for that darn constitution and separation of church and state.
    Jesus did not preach socialism.........not true!

    socialism is force, and Jesus was not about force.

    when Jesus saw sin, he spoke out about it, ...but he used no force to stop it.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    I love it when these gawdless commies try to us Jeebus to justify their murderous ideology, don't you?

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    Jesus did not preach socialism.........not true!

    socialism is force, and Jesus was not about force.

    when Jesus saw sin, he spoke out about it, ...but he used no force to stop it.
    Preaching doesn't use force....


    Matthew 5:46-47 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?

    Matthew 7:12 “So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

    Matthew 11:28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

    Matthew 19:21 Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

    Acts 2:43-45 And awe came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles. And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need.

    Ezekiel 16:49-50 Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it.


    Jesus also preached "social justice".....


    Psalm 82:3 Give justice to the weak and the fatherless; maintain the right of the afflicted and the destitute.

    Proverbs 14:31 Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors him.

    Proverbs 22:16 Whoever oppresses the poor to increase his own wealth, or gives to the rich, will only come to poverty

    Proverbs 24:11 Rescue those who are being taken away to death; hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter.

    Proverbs 31:8-9 Open your mouth for the mute, for the rights of all who are destitute. Open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and needy

    Isaiah 10:1-2 Woe to those who decree iniquitous decrees, and the writers who keep writing oppression, to turn aside the needy from justice and to rob the poor of my people of their right, that widows may be their spoil, and that they may make the fatherless their prey!

    Luke 18:1-8 And he told them a parable to the effect that they ought always to pray and not lose heart. He said, “In a certain city there was a judge who neither feared God nor respected man. And there was a widow in that city who kept coming to him and saying, ‘Give me justice against my adversary.’ For a while he refused, but afterward he said to himself, ‘Though I neither fear God nor respect man, yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will give her justice, so that she will not beat me down by her continual coming.’” ...

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Preaching doesn't use force....


    Matthew 5:46-47 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?

    Matthew 7:12 “So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

    Matthew 11:28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

    Matthew 19:21 Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

    Acts 2:43-45 And awe came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles. And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need.

    Ezekiel 16:49-50 Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it.


    Jesus also preached "social justice".....


    Psalm 82:3 Give justice to the weak and the fatherless; maintain the right of the afflicted and the destitute.

    Proverbs 14:31 Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors him.

    Proverbs 22:16 Whoever oppresses the poor to increase his own wealth, or gives to the rich, will only come to poverty

    Proverbs 24:11 Rescue those who are being taken away to death; hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter.

    Proverbs 31:8-9 Open your mouth for the mute, for the rights of all who are destitute. Open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and needy

    Isaiah 10:1-2 Woe to those who decree iniquitous decrees, and the writers who keep writing oppression, to turn aside the needy from justice and to rob the poor of my people of their right, that widows may be their spoil, and that they may make the fatherless their prey!

    Luke 18:1-8 And he told them a parable to the effect that they ought always to pray and not lose heart. He said, “In a certain city there was a judge who neither feared God nor respected man. And there was a widow in that city who kept coming to him and saying, ‘Give me justice against my adversary.’ For a while he refused, but afterward he said to himself, ‘Though I neither fear God nor respect man, yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will give her justice, so that she will not beat me down by her continual coming.’” ...

    socialism is force, becuase it demands you give your money, to what it believes is the betterment of a society.

    Jesus preached that people should give out of the goodness of ones' own heart, not by the force of government.

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