View Poll Results: Is communism possible in the USA?

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  • Yes, Soviet type of communism

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  • Yes, community type of communism

    14 12.39%
  • Yes, religious type of communism

    2 1.77%
  • Yes, other type of communism

    14 12.39%
  • No, not possible

    61 53.98%
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    ah yes the age old tactic of doublespeak
    that always works, relabeling a concept changes it completely?
    do what you say, say what you mean (otherwise) One Thing Leads to Another

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by artevelde
    It is one of the best and most current general surveys by one of the foremost authorities on Communism.
    You don't seem to be grasping my subtle hints, so I'll try a more blunt approach. Dr. Service is a good scholar and a good historian. However, his opinion is disputed by others who know as much as he does, who are also good scholars and good historians. We sometimes call this the problem of epistemic peerage--when two or more people who are equally smart and equally knowledgeable arrive at different conclusions about the same subject.

    In such a situation, the fair thing to do is to maintain epistemic neutrality. I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea that communism has at its heart the idea that a whole bunch of people ought to be killed in nasty ways for no particular reason. But so far, I have seen no evidence that this is so. Communism may be motivated by bloodlust, but again, I have seen no evidence this is so.

    Quote Originally Posted by artevelde
    These countries didn't implement one iota of Communism.
    Really? This seems false to me. They maintain a much more robust commons than anything we have here in the U.S. The oft-discussed health care systems of those countries, for example, are socially owned.

    Quote Originally Posted by artevelde
    They are explicitely anti-Communist.
    China is explicitly anti-capitalist, but it still uses capitalist ideas. That said, I'm not sure I agree with you. Communism is viewed favorably by a larger segment of the population in many of the countries I mentioned. Socialism even more so.

    Quote Originally Posted by artevelde
    And your attempt to mix up Communism and Socialism (by which you probably mean social democracy, which is yet something else) again shows you are without a clue.
    Do you deny that Marx thought socialism was a necessary step towards communism?

    Quote Originally Posted by artevelde
    It is the defining characteristic of Communism.
    Really? So, we ought to be able to look at any instance of systematized murder in the world throughout all of history, and the people who did it were communists? The Mongols under Temujin? The Romans under Julius or Octavian or Constantine? The Mugals? All of those, and many more besides, were communist regimes? I'm afraid I cannot take that seriously without some very serious evidence.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    China is explicitly anti-capitalist,
    you mean the same place that seems to make nearly every durn thing we buy today?
    yer age isn't listed in yer profile so I will give you a pass for not knowing what happened there in the 70's

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    To save the poll from influence, I will spare my opinion for the time being.

    So, is communism possible in the USA?
    Remember Walden 2?

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    I've seen the real Socialism only under the Hitler's regime in Germany and under the Gaddaffi's regime in Libya.
    Envidia te mata !!!

    The blind leading the blind !!!


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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Coin, do tell (us more).

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    To save the poll from influence, I will spare my opinion for the time being.

    So, is communism possible in the USA?
    Without reading any replies yet, I'll say that yes, communism is possible in the US. It has to do with desperation and nothing left to lose, basically. If we ever feel we have gotten to that point, it is possible... though we are a long way away from it... that it could happen. The Communist Party actually made headway during the Great Depression. Not huge, but notable.

    Now, I'll go read the thread and see what others think.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy
    you mean the same place that seems to make nearly every durn thing we buy today?
    yer age isn't listed in yer profile so I will give you a pass for not knowing what happened there in the 70's
    Whatever do you mean? Do communist countries not export or import goods?

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Whatever I do mean is that your belief that:
    "China is explicitly anti-capitalist,"

    is false.
    I'm to lazy to explain why this is so but the information is readily available.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy
    Whatever I do mean is that your belief that:
    "China is explicitly anti-capitalist,"

    is false.
    I'm to lazy to explain why this is so but the information is readily available.
    Oh, I think not, especially when you take it in context. My other interlocutor claimed that the countries I listed (like Sweden, Canada, France, etc.) were explicitly anti-communist. This may be true, but only in the same way that China is explicitly anti-capitalist.

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