View Poll Results: Is communism possible in the USA?

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  • Yes, Soviet type of communism

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  • Yes, community type of communism

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  • Yes, religious type of communism

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  • Yes, other type of communism

    14 12.39%
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Can a 'capitalist ruling class' use force to get you to do anything?
    or are they just limited to running ads in the media to try to get you to buy their products and services?


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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Capitalism failed. It promised a real change from the aristocracies of the past. The only difference was which ruling class was in charge, and the illusion that they weren't.
    Pure capitalism does fail; there's no argument to that. However, the most prosperous nations, by and large, are mixed economies that show a tremendously heavy partiality toward capitalism.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    "Pure capitalism always fails"
    and then folks ask:
    name one time true laissez faire capitalism has ever existed
    and I get sooo confused
    How 'bout this, since nearly every thinking person can acknowledge the abject failures
    of communism/socialism (but many keep on wanting it to be tried again?)
    Why not just give laissez faire a chance?

    oh and while yer at it why not

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by instagramsci View Post
    What are you even saying
    My Reply:

    I am saying that the anger on the street is huge and will only worsen as the economy declines further.

    There are those who claim that the U.S. Capitalist system can recover and I totally disagree.

    Presently; the U.S. is spending at least a trillion dollars more per year than what it earns. This would not include the ongoing trade deficit and whatever the Federal Reserve is doing.

    An increasing GDP is when a U.S. Capitalist buys a pair of shoes manufactured in China for a dollar and then sells the shoes in North America for 2 dollars .... thus the GDP increases by a dollar.

    Those who hold a more positive view of the U.S. economy must begin to explain what a reduction in spending (amounting to at least a trillion dollars per year perhaps 2 trillion) would do to an already damaged economy and society?

    An economic recovery is not possible with a "Service" economy. There needs to be a vibrant manufacturing sector and that has been destroyed.

    We can expect two items to top the news during the next two years .....

    Religion:

    Consumption Tax:

    I follow this topic rather closely:
    http://www.dotandcalm.com/calm-archi...omicNotes.html

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    What exactly stops those "rich" people from moving themselves and their money, as some have already done, to another location?
    My Reply:

    The only place on this earth for the Rich Folks to hide-out will be Zimbabwe or the like.

    Calm

    Here is some historical information for research purposes:

    U.S. Finance: Socialism - Capitalism
    Articles and Commentaries by various writers and media pundits.
    June 2005 --- December 29, 2008
    http://www.dotandcalm.com/calm-archi...er29-2008.html
    January 03, 2009 --- March 17, 2010
    http://www.dotandcalm.com/calm-archi...ch17-2010.html
    March 30, 2010 --- May 18, 2012
    http://www.dotandcalm.com/calm-archi...ay18-2012.html
    June 12, 2012 --- July 10, 2013
    http://www.dotandcalm.com/calm-archi...st22-2012.html
    Last edited by calm; 08-05-13 at 05:23 PM.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    No, I support a meritocracy not an aristocracy. Aristocracy is inherited and remains stagnant regardless of the actions of the individual, a meritocracy will see rises and failings based upon the merits of the individual.
    So you're good with a 100% estate tax? That's good to know!
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    USA has the 2nd highest corporate tax in the world, only behind Japan.
    I'd like to see that in actual terms instead of what's on the books. I'm willing to bet corporate tax/corporate gross income is much lower than most other countries. The rate itself may be higher but the deductions are also higher.
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    remind me never to let you do my books

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    'size matters'
    ha ha ha and this is coming from a woman?

    ok I'll play what would you like to say in regards to the unbelievably smashing success of socialism in those two countries?
    The standard of living is not so bad.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    yeah being a 1st world country tends to do that
    what else?

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    And in this country, it really doesn't. Or rather, it doesn't have to, and we artificially create it. Scarcity is only ever going to decrease as technology improves. Socialism is basically inevitable, both for this country and for the world.
    People advocating for socialism have their own definitions of what scarcity "really means." The Zeitgeist video, for example, posits that post-scarcity, modern, socialist cities of the future will only need 3% of the population to maintain. And where, exactly, does this 3% come from? Needing ANYTHING is the textbook antonym of post-scarcity. Unless you're comfortable with slavery, as long as it's just "3%".

    We will continue to live with scarcity until the very moment we can synthesize anything we need from a raw stock of atoms, up to and including being able to synthesize more synthesizers. And even then, post-scarcity for the human race will only last as long as there is an abundant amount of atoms in relation to the population. True and eternal scarcity is a myth, born in the land of milk and honey.
    "Political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible. . . . Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness."
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