View Poll Results: Is communism possible in the USA?

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  • Yes, Soviet type of communism

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  • Yes, community type of communism

    14 12.39%
  • Yes, religious type of communism

    2 1.77%
  • Yes, other type of communism

    14 12.39%
  • No, not possible

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    The idea of claiming that Christ espoused a particular ârty political ideology is ridiculous.
    First you said, it was communism that was intolerant of religion. I showed you that it is possible for communism to espouse religion.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    The idea of claiming that Christ espoused a particular ârty political ideology is ridiculous.
    True, but that doesn't mean that Christianity hasn't been or can't be abused for political ends. And Christian believers often go through great length to legislate their interpretation of Christian morals.

    As a European, you'll probably be aware of the "christian democratic" parties in Europe, which at least initially based their support for social systems or their demand even for "Christian socialism" (German Christian Dems ca. 1945-48 i.e.) on Christianity.
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    First you said, it was communism that was intolerant of religion. I showed you that it is possible for communism to espouse religion.
    You showed no such thing. Communism has a proven track record of bloody suppression of religion. Googling some phantasy-texts o the internet doesn't change that.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    To save the poll from influence, I will spare my opinion for the time being.

    So, is communism possible in the USA?
    I imagine that much depends on exactly how you define “Communism”.

    Strictly-speaking, I would have to define Communism as the social order that Marx envisioned; and on that basis, I would argue that Communism is not possible at all, here in the U.S., nor anywhere else—at least not on any kind of scale. There have been quite a few nations that have declared themselves to be Communist-based, and have tried to implement a Communist society; and without so much as a single exception, they have all gone very, very far astray from what Marx envisioned. I think we've seen enough attempts to implement Communism, all fail in the same ways, that I can safely predict that there never will and never can be a true Communist society.
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    True, but that doesn't mean that Christianity hasn't been or can't be abused for political ends. And Christian believers often go through great length to legislate their interpretation of Christian morals.

    As a European, you'll probably be aware of the "christian democratic" parties in Europe, which at least initially based their support for social systems or their demand even for "Christian socialism" (German Christian Dems ca. 1945-48 i.e.) on Christianity.
    Any religion can be abused for political ends.

    As for christian-democracy, this is a political current which is pretty old (mid 19th century in some countries) and which does not purport to be synonymous with a religion.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Absolutely possible. It will not be called "Communism", it will be called something else. But the envy, the lust for power, the collectivism...they are simply elements of our human nature. The ones we have to suppress, if we want to stay civilized - and, in the long term - survive.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    Any religion can be abused for political ends.

    As for christian-democracy, this is a political current which is pretty old (mid 19th century in some countries) and which does not purport to be synonymous with a religion.
    Yeah smartass, and exactly that is what the OP asked for.
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Yeah smartass, and exactly that is what the OP asked for.
    I can't help you deal with your feelings of inadequacy. Seek professional help for that.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    You showed no such thing. Communism has a proven track record of bloody suppression of religion. Googling some phantasy-texts o the internet doesn't change that.
    Oh ye of little faith. My source was the "Communist Party USA".


    "Communists are not against religion. We are against capitalism. In fact, the Party has its own Religion Commission which seeks to build positive relations with religious people and communities in the struggle to make life better for working people. Most religious people believe in justice, peace, and respectful relations among the peoples of the world, and many are motivated by their faith to work for those goals.

    Membership in the Communist Party is open to all who agree with our program, regardless of religious beliefs."

    FAQ » cpusa

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Oh yea of little faith. My source was the "Communist Party USA".

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    I can provide you with quotes from Hitler saying he was only interested in peace. I guess that would prove conclusively to you that he was a pacifist?

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