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    Re: Tipping on Takeout

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I usually tip a little at a buffet because they usually do clear your plates off the table at least.
    I struggle with that one. On the one hand just clearing plates isn't much work. Certainly not on the level of being a full server. Some places try and "add" to the service level by getting drinks, too, which I'm not overly impressed by.

    On the other hand, if I sense that the people working the tables are employees, and not owners and/or owner's family, then I might chip in a couple bucks.
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    Re: Tipping on Takeout

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I usually tip a little at a buffet because they usually do clear your plates off the table at least.
    Yeah...I'll always leave a couple of bucks for the dish guy.

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    Re: Tipping on Takeout

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Which is likely to be minimum wage.
    And I have no interest in using my personal disposable income (what little of it there is) to subsidize a restaurants low paid staff any more than I already do with my tax dollars.
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    Re: Tipping on Takeout

    Sometimes I leave an implicit tip.

    If what I ordered costs 19$ and I have just a 20$ note, I leave it all there, so that's the tip.

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    Re: Tipping on Takeout

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    When you order food to go from a restaurant and don't use table service do you leave a tip anyway? I mean, I don't tip at any fast food places or other places where you order at the counter so it's never occurred to me to tip at a regular restaurant if I order out. I figure that I'm not taking up any of the servers time as it's usually a hostess or the manager who handles things and they are usually getting a full wage instead of server rate.
    Nope, doesn't make sense to.
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    Re: Tipping on Takeout

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    You could look at it as an actual fee for the service rather than a surcharge on your food.
    Essentially, that's what your tip is paying for-the service, not the food.

    They provide a service for a fee. We get to unilaterally decide the price of the services we have already obtained.
    De facto, servers work for the customer, not the restaurant. They just work AT the restaurant.
    Viewing tipping as a fee rather than as a gratuity is where we started falling off the boat, IMO. That's where the entitlement mentality comes from.


    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I've seen hotel restaurants add tips for room service. I've never seen a regular restaurant do it unless it's a large party, then some of the more expensive ones do.
    Most places anymore add the tip for large parties, at least. I do not approve of the concept, as it then literally turns into a fee and ceases to become a gratuity, but it's also not something so critical that I will make a scene over. Where I do stand on principle is that the percentage they give me is what they get (18% is most common). I refuse to give a penny more, even if the service was outstanding.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Modestly...maybe 10% or so.

    I wouldn't get me started on waitresses. If you think I crack on your profession, I go harder on waitresses. They make excellent money for work anyone can do. I worked with a guy who made almost 60 grand a year, and still made less than his wife as a full-time waitress at a reasonably upscale establishment. Not fair, if you ask me...but ah well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I understand what you are saying there. But what I don't get is the part where the tip stops being payment for services rendered and become a surcharge on the food instead.
    I don't think he means surcharge in a literal sense, though if I understand him correctly I agree with him. The way I phrase it is that it has become an expectation, an entitlement mentality. An expectation that is no longer based on the quality of service, but rather the martyr-like feeling that the poor downtrodden workers are slaving away and taxed and underpaid... which isn't wholly untrue, they should be paid better to begin with... and hence it is OUR responsibility individually to make up for that. Tipping has ceased to become a gratuity for appreciation and evolved into an entitlement mentality.


    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I have never tipped a government employee. (In the USA.)
    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    How about tripped a government employee? And I note the "In the USA" comment - perhaps you've travelled to some of the former countries of the British Commonwealth where greasing the palms of the powers that be is essential to getting processed in a timely manner.
    Tipping a government employee is a bribe. Which, is another mindset that I have encountered regarding tipping. It is known that many pizza delivery places keep lists of good and bad tipping addresses, and some of them will sabotage your pizza if you are tagged as a bad tipper. I know people who tip delivery people outrageously well to avoid this. In this sense it has degenerated into a simple bribe as well. When you're tipping is motivated not by good service, but rather wanting to prevent people dicking with their meal, then we have completely strayed from the purpose of tipping... not to mention tossed common decency out the window.


    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    That's a very common misconception. Generally, the hostess will take the order, but then turns it over to the server that is assigned take-out orders for the night. The server has to place the order and put it all together. They then, give it to the hostess who deals with the customer when they come in to pick up the order. You generally never see the server, but they are the ones doing the vast majority of the work...and the "sale" goes on their sales and against their tips.
    I sympathize with the tax part, but that's between the worker and the government. Not me as an individual. While there is work and time in putting together a bag, it's a one-time thing and only a few minutes. It's not like doting on a table for 45 minutes or more.
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    Re: Tipping on Takeout

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Viewing tipping as a fee rather than as a gratuity is where we started falling off the boat, IMO. That's where the entitlement mentality comes from.
    W/e happened in the past aside, at this point it is a payment for services rendered. Tax code says so.
    Generally, people are "entitled" to be paid for services rendered.
    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The way I phrase it is that it has become an expectation, an entitlement mentality. An expectation that is no longer based on the quality of service, but rather the martyr-like feeling that the poor downtrodden workers are slaving away and taxed and underpaid... which isn't wholly untrue, they should be paid better to begin with... and hence it is OUR responsibility individually to make up for that. Tipping has ceased to become a gratuity for appreciation and evolved into an entitlement mentality.
    I don't see the objection to expecting to be compensated for services rendered.

    Whether the system is that restaurant pays the servers more money or the system is that the customer tips employees, the upshot is still that diners provide that money.
    But only one of those systems provides diners with discretion.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Tipping on Takeout

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    W/e happened in the past aside, at this point it is a payment for services rendered. Tax code says so.
    Generally, people are "entitled" to be paid for services rendered.

    I don't see the objection to expecting to be compensated for services rendered.

    Whether the system is that restaurant pays the servers more money or the system is that the customer tips employees, the upshot is still that diners provide that money.
    But only one of those systems provides diners with discretion.
    If it's for services rendered it should be a flat fee, mandatory. At the diner's discretion implies competency is judged, which would be a gratuity. Pick one. You can't have both.
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    Re: Tipping on Takeout

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I sympathize with the tax part, but that's between the worker and the government. Not me as an individual. While there is work and time in putting together a bag, it's a one-time thing and only a few minutes. It's not like doting on a table for 45 minutes or more.
    It IS between the worker and the government, but it is also between you and the server. If the server has to claim 8% of the sale as a tip, you are taking money out of the server's pocket when you fail to tip. You may disagree with the government, but it doesn't change the reality of the situation.
    And...you are correct that it is different than waiting on a table for 45 minutes or more...however, when you actually think about how much time the server is involved with you during that 45 minutes or more...it is really not that much different, and in some ways, togos require more work than table service...for instance, at one restaurant I worked at, all dinners came with salad and bread. With the togo order, I had to package the salad in a togo container, the dressing in a togo container and then I had to wrap up the bread in foil and put butter in a togo container....much more work than putting the salad on a plate with dressing and putting the bread on a serving tray. Also, for togos you have to get utensils, napkins etc...which when dining it are already on the table. This isn't to complain....its to point out that most people don't understand the work that goes into a togo order for the server in a full service restaurant...not to mention that it took time away from the guests who I was serving who were dining in the restaurant. It is somewhat different which is why a tip of 10% on togos is sufficient as opposed to 15-20% on table service.
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    Re: Tipping on Takeout

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    If it's for services rendered it should be a flat fee, mandatory.
    Why?
    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    At the diner's discretion implies competency is judged, which would be a gratuity. Pick one. You can't have both.
    Why not?
    Why can't people enter into a contract where party A agrees to perform a service for party B and let party B determine the compensation for that service?
    I may be wrong.

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