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Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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ernst barkmann said:
really .....so your going to have the school teach things to my child things which I object to on a religious level.

so if the schools were to teach homosexuality is wrong, and use tax money to do it your ok with that to?
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So if your religion objects to science, should it not be taught in public schools?
 
Artevelde said:
So I guess schools should also teach tolerance of polygamy or incest?
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I was unaware that any relationship (other than none role playing slavery) was illegal between consenting adults. When did the government crawl back into our bedrooms? We just got them out of it a couple of decades ago.


BTW - I already edited that post say to "between consenting adults".
 
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ernst barkmann said:
back in the 50's government took tax payer money and used it to make anti-homosexual films to be shown in public schools........was it right to do that ...no.

the government is not supposed to take people's money and use it against them.
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How is teaching about orientation using money against some one?
 
ernst barkmann said:
you would have committed a crime to go to prison.

can the government take your money from you and use it against you if you have broken no law?..
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That is a more narrow definition that I can live with.
 
MoSurveyor said:
I was unaware that homosexual relationships were illegal. I was also unaware that orgies were illegal. When did the government crawl back into our bedrooms? We just got them out of it a couple of decades ago.


BTW - I already edited that post say to "between consenting adults".
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So schools should teach children that everything that isn't illegal in that particular area is OK. For example prostitution in certain areas, gambling, smoking obviously, etc.
 
Artevelde said:
So schools should teach children that everything that isn't illegal in that particular area is OK. For example prostitution in certain areas, gambling, smoking obviously, etc.
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Some things you mentioned are potential health hazards - like gambling and smoking - and should be considered in health classes. There's nothing wrong with prostitution except it's illegal in most places. All those should be covered as facts of society.
 
MoSurveyor said:
Some things you mentioned are potential health hazards - like gambling and smoking - and should be considered in health classes. There's nothing wrong with prostitution except it's illegal in most places.
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As I figured, you are really rather selective in what legal things schools should teach children are OK. Why should your selection prevail?

Maybe schools should try to teach children the essential skills they need. That seems to be pretty much of a challenge as it is. Leave the education of morals up to their parents, family, friends, etc.
 
Ikari said:
It's just the way it is. Things evolve. You either evolve, or your left behind. Society changes. We wear mixed fabrics now, we don't stone women for small offenses, we ended slavery. And at each turn there were people fighting the change, they were just bred out over time as the system evolved. And here we have the same thing. We are growing and we are becoming more accepting of homosexuality as we learn that human is human. There are people fighting it now, but they'll be left behind and in a few decades at most people will look back on us now and wonder why there were ever people who rallied against homosexuals.

Just the way of the world. It has nothing to do with religious freedom, the religions are free to express whatever they want. But religion will change as man changes, religion is a reflection of ourselves. And like churches in the days of ol' called for the death of heathens and even lit the fire themselves in some instances, religion will leave behind the barbaric and irrational practices as man and society change.
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Just the big one's. Sorry. Couldn't resist.
 
ernst barkmann said:
question: should a religious adult send his child to public school ,and the school teach that homosexual relationships are good, and nothing wrong with them.

school is mandatory, and the adult is giving his tax money to support the school.
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I think the schools should remain neutral on such issues. They have enough to worry about with teaching academics. Our public school system has some SERIOUS issues. I've heard that the high school drop out rate is nearing 30%. I do believe that in depth sex education should happen in health class though.
 
Redress said:
How is teaching about orientation using money against some one?
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can the government use money to create anti- homosexual, black ,white, Hispanic, Asian, anti-religious material and instruct people in it?...no

because government was doing this against gay people back in the 50's and its wrong.

and in the same way government should not be using money to teach things against people religious beliefs

can schools teach Jesus was just a drinking jew who was insane, and went around spreading lies he was the son of man....no

government was wrong in the 50's and its wrong today if it teaches anti religious things to christians.



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Artevelde said:
As I figured, you are really rather selective in what legal things schools should teach children are OK. Why should your selection prevail?

Maybe schools should try to teach children the essential skills they need. That seems to be pretty much of a challenge as it is. Leave the education of morals up to their parents, family, friends, etc.
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You obviously figured wrong or assumed facts not in evidence. I didn't say anything about teaching "morals" except teaching tolerance. If you don't know what that word means I suggest you look it up.
 
MoSurveyor said:
You obviously figured wrong or assumed facts not in evidence. I didn't say anything about teaching "morals" except teaching tolerance. If you don't know what that word means I suggest you look it up.
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So they should teach children to tolerate everything that is legal, including prostitution, gambling, smoking, etc. wherever this is legal? And they should teach children to tolerate polygamy in countries where that is legal?
 
ernst barkmann said:
can the government use money to create anti- homosexual, black ,white, Hispanic, Asian, anti-religious material and instruct people in it?...no

because government was doing this against gay people back in the 50's and its wrong.

and in the same way government should not be using money to teach things against people religious beliefs

can schools teach Jesus was just a drinking jew who was insane, and went around spreading lies he was the son of man....no

government was wrong in the 50's and its wrong today if it teaches anti religious to christians.



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There is a large, unsubtle difference between teaching anti-whatever(that is against something) and teaching that something exists.
 
ChrisL said:
I think the schools should remain neutral on such issues. They have enough to worry about with teaching academics. Our public school system has some SERIOUS issues. I've heard that the high school drop out rate is nearing 30%. I do believe that in depth sex education should happen in health class though.
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well my question is if I teach my child something is wrong based on my religion, should they school undermined what I teach, and teach its ok.
 
ernst barkmann said:
so if the school teaches the sexual orientation of homosexuality is wrong.....are you ok with it.
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There is a difference between teaching that something exists and teaching that something is wrong.
 
Redress said:
There is a large, unsubtle difference between teaching anti-whatever(that is against something) and teaching that something exists.
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What exactly does that mean? Domestic violence exists. Should schools teach that?
 
ernst barkmann said:
well my question is if I teach my child something is wrong based on my religion, should they school undermined what I teach, and teach its ok.
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Well, I think I answered your question when I stated that the schools should remain neutral on these highly controversial issues. ;)
 
ernst barkmann said:
well my question is if I teach my child something is wrong based on my religion, should they school undermined what I teach, and teach its ok.
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If you teach your child that evolution is wrong based on your religion, should schools not teach evolution?
 
Redress said:
There is a large, unsubtle difference between teaching anti-whatever(that is against something) and teaching that something exists.
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really? why do you think schools can teach things which my child has been taught is wrong.

you may believe gay sex is fine, and that's your right, however others don't agree with you, and should they be forced to be taught your prospective.
 
Artevelde said:
What exactly does that mean? Domestic violence exists. Should schools teach that?
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Absolutely schools should teach that domestic violence exists and what to do if the student encounters it.
 
ernst barkmann said:
really? why do you think schools can teach things which my child has been taught is wrong.

you may believe gay sex is fine, and that's your right, however others don't agree with you, and should they be forced to be taught your prospective.
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Your religion is irrelevant to what schools teach. The job of schools is to teach facts.
 
Redress said:
Your religion is irrelevant to what schools teach. The job of schools is to teach facts.
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I couldn't agree more (at least where it concerns state schools). So they shouldn't be teaching about what is morally acceptable and what not or any other aspect of morality.
 
Artevelde said:
I couldn't agree more (at least where it concerns state schools). So they shouldn't be teaching about what is morally acceptable and what not or any other aspect of morality.
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It is not quite that simple. For example, teaching that slavery or naziism is wrong is pretty safe. Note that I have not suggested schools should teach that homosexuality is morally OK. It is however just fine to teach that it exists.
 
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