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  • Freedom of Religion

    26 56.52%
  • Mandate to Evolve

    10 21.74%
  • Both are equally crucial

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Thread: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Nobody suggested it should be presented as a "scientific" theory.
    If you put it in the science class, there's a good chance it'll be seen that way.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I really don't understand why Christians have a problem with evolution. If they take everything in the Bible literally, I kind of think they are fundamentists. If their faith makes them uncomfortable with accepted science and causes them to be naive and shun exposure to new ideas, diverse religious thought, opposing povs, and scientific studies, then i dont feel we ought to enable such fundamental attitudes.

    I don't think anybody is trying to push atheism on people via science. I like science and I especially like evolution and ancient human studies, and I am not atheist.
    Well, their tax money helps pay for public school funding, and it's really none of your business what other people believe or want to teach their children. It's just simply not up to you to decide for others.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, their tax money helps pay for public school funding, and it's really none of your business what other people believe or want to teach their children. It's just simply not up to you to decide for others.
    That's what makes teaching beliefs at school tricky. At home, at church, much easier to say go for it. At a public institution? More difficult. Certainly nothing wrong with comparing cultures and religions, but choosing one as the one? Dicier.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    I don't see a problem with it. Nothing is wrong with learning about worship traditions at a mosque, synagogue, catholic church, buddhist temple, etc. but I don't see anything wrong with kids learning religious studies either.

    I think catholic churches and a lot of the traditions are interesting. I have been in buddhist temples and all kinds of religious buildings while touring Europe. I want to go to more worship sites, especially the ancient Egyptian ones.

    But anyways, I don't think there is anything wrong with learning how such places of worship function and are organized.


    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yet some don't have a problem with actually bringing students on a field trip to a mosque? Weird.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's what makes teaching beliefs at school tricky. At home, at church, much easier to say go for it. At a public institution? More difficult. Certainly nothing wrong with comparing cultures and religions, but choosing one as the one? Dicier.
    Oh I totally agree with that, hence neutrality.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Oh I totally agree with that, hence neutrality.
    When it comes to beliefs. Yes.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    When they can't tell the difference between science and their fundamental faith, and want their fundamental faith treated as a science in public schools then that kind of interferes with what I want to teach my kids.

    They aren't the only people paying taxes, so I don't see what's fair about expecting everybody's education system and other public institutions to uphold their fundamental beliefs.


    The education system should be concerned with promoting education and knowledge first, not promoting religious faith.

    I think kids should learn science and knowledge. If fundie beliefs don't hold up to knowledge, then they need to reassess the way the look at the Bible. I am not accepting of shunning education and knowledge.



    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, their tax money helps pay for public school funding, and it's really none of your business what other people believe or want to teach their children. It's just simply not up to you to decide for others.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    When they can't tell the difference between science and their fundamental faith, and want their fundamental faith treated as a science in public schools then that kind of interferes with what I want to teach my kids.

    They aren't the only people paying taxes, so I don't see what's fair about expecting everybody's education system and other public institutions to uphold their fundamental beliefs.


    The education system should be concerned with promoting education and knowledge first, not promoting religious faith.

    I think kids should learn science and knowledge. If fundie beliefs don't hold up to knowledge, then they need to reassess the way the look at the Bible. I am not accepting of shunning education and knowledge.
    There's nothing promoting it if the subject is approached from an academic perspective, completely different than taking children to a temple, church or mosque to pray.

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