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  • Freedom of Religion

    26 56.52%
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Thread: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    No, you need to read it again apparently. Use your comprehension!!! The bold part is copied from my link.

    The creationists and other critics of evolution are absolutely correct when they point out that evolution is “just a theory” and it is not “proven.” What they neglect to mention is that everything in science is just a theory and is never proven. Unlike the Prime Number Theorem, which will absolutely and forever be true, it is still possible, albeit very, very, very, very, very unlikely, that the theory of evolution by natural and sexual selection may one day turn out to be false. But then again, it is also possible, albeit very, very, very, very, very unlikely, that monkeys will fly out of my ass tomorrow. In my judgment, both events are about equally likely.
    The part you out in bold says it very well. Gravity is just a theory. We may learn something else one day. But it is unlikely. So when scientist say its a theory, no it's not math, but it's not just a wild guess either. It's pretty damn likely true.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Whatever the religious theory is, it's not a scientific theory. And evolution isn't just a theory. There is The Theory of Evolution, but many scientific concepts of evolution are accepted as fact.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Religion also evolves with humans as well they aren't separate but inter twined through out history People and their views change through a different perspective think of this someone during the romans times or whenever they were also mandated to evolve and they did and what did they become after Constantinople they were Christians and they were accepted and not beaten or put into gladiator matches against lions . We are Mandated to evolve as well as religious beliefs if they did not all Christians ( for example ) would be like the Amish and the early puritans .

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Un biased View Post
    Religion also evolves with humans as well they aren't separate but inter twined through out history People and their views change through a different perspective think of this someone during the romans times or whenever they were also mandated to evolve and they did and what did they become after Constantinople they were Christians and they were accepted and not beaten or put into gladiator matches against lions . We are Mandated to evolve as well as religious beliefs if they did not all Christians ( for example ) would be like the Amish and the early puritans .

    True. I'm always struck by those who don't see the Bible changing views over time. This ability for it to change convinced me that it was the beginning of the discussion and not the end. It is rarely the act itself that changes, but the effect of the act, which I think leads us back to defining sin again.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    American schools don't teach evolution or religion. I think both studies are important to understanding the world, literally understanding the people, attitudes, and cultures all around the world.

    That doesn't mean I agree with the other poster that religious beliefs and scientific theory are equal.

    The thing is, a lot of religions believe in creation stories. A scientific classroom is not the place to debate Christian creationism from the POV of literalists, versus non literalist, versus new age, versus scientologist, versus buddhist, versus Hindu, native American tradition, etc.

    Those discussions and how all those creation stories intertwine and relate is meant for a religious class.

    As for science and studying religious texts, you can look at the stories literally or figuratively. You could consider Galileo's perspective, that the Bible isn't meant to teach science. That he didn't feel the Bible said anywhere he was committing sins by trying to understand the universe through science. He never lost his faith, and contended that if science causes your faith to weaken then perhaps the problem is the way you interpret the Bible. Various interpretations is why we have so many churches to begin with, so keep a big picture view of your religious movement.

    Learn where you Bible comes from and the history if the cannon. My understanding is that the book of Genesis was written much later than all the other books.



    That's all food for thought IMO.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    American schools don't teach evolution or religion. I think both studies are important to understanding the world, literally understanding the people, attitudes, and cultures all around the world.

    That doesn't mean I agree with the other poster that religious beliefs and scientific theory are equal.

    The thing is, a lot of religions believe in creation stories. A scientific classroom is not the place to debate Christian creationism from the POV of literalists, versus non literalist, versus new age, versus scientologist, versus buddhist, versus Hindu, native American tradition, etc.

    Those discussions and how all those creation stories intertwine and relate is meant for a religious class.

    As for science and studying religious texts, you can look at the stories literally or figuratively. You could consider Galileo's perspective, that the Bible isn't meant to teach science. That he didn't feel the Bible said anywhere he was committing sins by trying to understand the universe through science. He never lost his faith, and contended that if science causes your faith to weaken then perhaps the problem is the way you interpret the Bible. Various interpretations is why we have so many churches to begin with, so keep a big picture view of your religious movement.

    Learn where you Bible comes from and the history if the cannon. My understanding is that the book of Genesis was written much later than all the other books.



    That's all food for thought IMO.
    Um . . . yes they do.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The part you out in bold says it very well. Gravity is just a theory. We may learn something else one day. But it is unlikely. So when scientist say its a theory, no it's not math, but it's not just a wild guess either. It's pretty damn likely true.
    This post doesn't change anything that I've posted.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The part you out in bold says it very well. Gravity is just a theory. We may learn something else one day. But it is unlikely. So when scientist say its a theory, no it's not math, but it's not just a wild guess either. It's pretty damn likely true.
    Gosh, stuff like this must REALLY piss you off then. Right?

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    The theory of evolution is definately not a part of required public school curriculum, perhaps some concepts of evolutionary fact are requried. I only remember teachers trying to dismiss it all as theory, and it was mostly just presented as if all evolution is just the Darwin Theory. When teachers brought it up in that manner (and I recall about only two teachers doing it to me), it was not in a very formal way with handouts or approved learning materials. They usually brought it up themselves as a side topic.

    I have little reason to believe the average American student's experience was much different than mine given the way these conversations typically play out.

    I don't much else to say. If your experience was different and you learned a lot, then what is your understanding of evolution?


    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Um . . . yes they do.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    The theory of evolution is definately not a part of required public school curriculum, perhaps some concepts of evolutionary fact are requried. I only remember teachers trying to dismiss it all as theory, and it was mostly just presented as if all evolution is just the Darwin Theory. When teachers brought it up in that manner (and I recall about only two teachers doing it to me), it was not in a very formal way with handouts or approved learning materials. They usually brought it up themselves as a side topic.

    I have little reason to believe the average American student's experience was much different than mine given the way these conversations typically play out.

    I don't much else to say. If your experience was different and you learned a lot, then what is your understanding of evolution?
    It certainly isn't something that you can explain to someone easily on the internet. It's a branching out of species, natural selection, a lot of complicated issues. It took us the whole school year to learn, and the teacher was very thorough with note-taking and covering all the bases. Of course, I don't remember everything, but I remember she was an excellent teacher, and maybe it wasn't college level academics, but I sure learned a lot that year.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

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