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Thread: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    but why would they want a religious theory taught in a science class?

    if religious theory MUST be taught in science - shouldn't there also be competing theories on the nature of the universe? why isn't geocentrism presented as an alternative theory, for example?
    Well it doesn't have to be brought up in science class. Like I stated, I learned about the theory of evolution from my 6th grade history teacher, and she was quite thorough too.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well it doesn't have to be brought up in science class. Like I stated, I learned about the theory of evolution from my 6th grade history teacher, and she was quite thorough too.
    Was it the Mrs. Garrison evolution explanation?
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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    No, you need to read it again apparently. Use your comprehension!!! The bold part is copied from my link.

    The creationists and other critics of evolution are absolutely correct when they point out that evolution is “just a theory” and it is not “proven.” What they neglect to mention is that everything in science is just a theory and is never proven. Unlike the Prime Number Theorem, which will absolutely and forever be true, it is still possible, albeit very, very, very, very, very unlikely, that the theory of evolution by natural and sexual selection may one day turn out to be false. But then again, it is also possible, albeit very, very, very, very, very unlikely, that monkeys will fly out of my ass tomorrow. In my judgment, both events are about equally likely.
    This is absolute rubbish. The theory of evolution is well established, and there is a considerable amount of evidence which supports it.... so to give creationists credit by stating that creationists are absolutely correct when they point out that evolution is “just a theory” and it is not “proven.” suggests that you don't understand the use of the word "theory" when used in a scientific context.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I learned about Greek mythology in school. I didn't think it was real though. I don't know what you're so frightened of.
    did you learn that greek myths offered a valid alternative explanation of the world?

    if so it makes sense that you think children should learn alternative "scientific" theories such as creationism.
    Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well it doesn't have to be brought up in science class. Like I stated, I learned about the theory of evolution from my 6th grade history teacher, and she was quite thorough too.
    clearly not thorough enough!
    Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    This is absolute rubbish. The theory of evolution is well established, and there is a considerable amount of evidence which supports it.... so to give creationists credit by stating that creationists are absolutely correct when they point out that evolution is “just a theory” and it is not “proven.” suggests that you don't understand the use of the word "theory" when used in a scientific context.
    Wrong. The above is absolutely correct. A scientific theory is just that a theory, not a fact silly!

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    did you learn that greek myths offered a valid alternative explanation of the world?

    if so it makes sense that you think children should learn alternative "scientific" theories such as creationism.
    Not at all. Why so cranky?

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    clearly not thorough enough!
    Apparently I learned more than you, as I understand what a scientific theory is, and obviously you do not.

    Here! For your education!

    Scientific Hypothesis, Theory, Law Definitions

    Theory

    A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. A theory is valid as long as there is no evidence to dispute it. Therefore, theories can be disproven. Basically, if evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, then the hypothesis can become accepted as a good explanation of a phenomenon. One definition of a theory is to say it's an accepted hypothesis.

    Example: It is known that on June 30, 1908 in Tunguska, Siberia, there was an explosion equivalent to the detonation of about 15 million tons of TNT. Many hypotheses have been proposed for what caused the explosion. It is theorized that the explosion was caused by a natural extraterrestrial phenomenon, and was not caused by man. Is this theory a fact? No. The event is a recorded fact. Is this this theory generally accepted to be true, based on evidence to-date? Yes. Can this theory be shown to be false and be discarded? Yes.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Was it the Mrs. Garrison evolution explanation?
    Actually, it was Mrs. Carey's evolution explanation.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Interesting thing to me is that the term "evolution" contains an inherent value judgment.... "evolved" is somewhat synonymous with "developed" and tends to suggest that whatever is evolved is somehow superior to that which came before it.

    There is something, in my opinion, inherently unscientific about that. Nature, being insentient, doesn't pick winners based on their beauty, their smarts, or their skill, but rather randomly. Some genes survive because they are better suited to specific environments, but because environments constantly change, the net result is randomness.

    As such, instead of "evolve," don't we really just mean "change?"

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