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  • Freedom of Religion

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    10 21.74%
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Thread: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    As long as the subject is approached in the right manner, I don't think it would be any different than teaching mythology or other similar subjects.
    I that's not really what the problem's about. I can name very few leftists who oppose the study of religion as an independent field. But the problem arises when the gap between that field and science is bridged.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't think that overall there is a problem with teaching comparative religion of the history of religion in an academic study. But in general creationist theories do not belong in science class. You don't teach mythology in math class.
    Were we specifically talking about science class? I'm just talking school in general. Of course you don't teach mythology in math class.

    I learned the theory of evolution in history class in 6th grade.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I'm not suggesting any such thing, only that all theories be heard in a neutral manner. The kids can hear everything and make informed decisions.
    "All theories" and "neutral".

    So, you want schools to teach all creation myths (there are so many, it would take an inordinant amount of time to cover) and do so in a neutral manner -- not favoring one myth over another myth? The kids are then required to make a "decision" about which myth they prefer, none of which are based upon anything remotely close to fact or standing up to even the most rudimentory rigors.

    Why would they need to make an informed decision when all are fantasy and why should they learn creation myths when they could be learning something useful like science, instead?
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    "All theories" and "neutral".

    So, you want schools to teach all creation myths (there are so many, it would take an inordinant amount of time to cover) and do so in a neutral manner -- not favoring one myth over another myth? The kids are then required to make a "decision" about which myth they prefer, none of which are based upon anything remotely close to fact or standing up to even the most rudimentory rigors.

    Why would they need to make an informed decision when all are fantasy and why should they learn creation myths when they could be learning something useful like science, instead?
    I'm not talking about delving into that deeply, just mentioning all the basic that are the most generally accepted in our country.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I'm not talking about delving into that deeply, just mentioning all the basic that are the most generally accepted in our country.
    Many myths are accepted. Not sure that means we should teach them.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Many myths are accepted. Not sure that means we should teach them.
    I learned about Greek mythology in school. I didn't think it was real though. I don't know what you're so frightened of.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Many myths are accepted. Not sure that means we should teach them.
    But if they have (immense) social significance, a basic understanding is critical for an informed worldview.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I learned about Greek mythology in school. I didn't think it was real though. I don't know what you're so frightened of.
    Sure, nothing wrong with teaching it as myth. But I bet some won't be happy with that.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Sure, nothing wrong with teaching it as myth. But I bet some won't be happy with that.
    You don't have to SAY it's a myth You can see it is a theory without any scientific evidence to support it.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Org View Post
    But if they have (immense) social significance, a basic understanding is critical for an informed worldview.
    Big if. Depending on the myth, it just as likely may be holding society back, causing more harm than good. At then end of the day, do we really distrust the truth that much?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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