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  • Freedom of Religion

    26 56.52%
  • Mandate to Evolve

    10 21.74%
  • Both are equally crucial

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Thread: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is a big draw for retirees in Texas. We have many yankees in Texas, that come for the winter (snow birds), and quite a few damned yankees, that like it so much that they just stay here.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It was really hot here too a few weeks ago for several weeks (not really sure how long it lasted), over 95 degrees with more than 80% humidity on average those weeks. Blah! Just like a sauna!
    We often have summer weather like that here, too, but it's more like a steam room. Saunas are dry heat - like Phoenix.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Far as I can tell it's to embrace the notion of same sex marriage. I'm sure there will be more to it as the expression evolves, itself.
    I have absolutely no idea how or why you defined same sex marriage as "the mandate to evolve", but we'll go with this definition for this discussion.

    Nobody is mandating you to evolve. You can hate gays and be as intolerant as you want. You can twist and manipulate your religion in to supporting any kind of bigotry you feel like. The world, however, is moving on without you. Gays having rights has absolutely nothing to do with your religion. Freedom of religion is not a ticket to harass gays, so there is absolutely no tradeoff here.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Ah, yes, the fatal flaw in Libertarianism - government as a business.
    again you fail, I was speaking of private schools as business...not public!

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Seriously? You're whining because schools are teaching children what the law says???
    tell me if the law said to teach the ideology of the KKK, would you approve if it was law?

    government is no moral authority at all.

    as I stated to you before government is made up of people who are elected and some appointed.

    each of these people has a set of moral values they believe in, how does their election to office or those being appointed, get them carte blanche. to teach their ideology just because they are in office.

    government has no moral authority, be it on sex, smoking, drinking, gambling, eating.

    if government had such authority it could dictate everyone of those things in our personal life's...........and its never be given that power, in constitutions.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    again you fail, I was speaking of private schools as business...not public!
    Then you should be more clear in your wording.


    But you're wrong about them being "good places on learning". Most parents have no clue what it takes to make a good academic curriculum. I'm all for parental input but blindly catering to parents whims is not such a good idea. I guess when the schools lose accreditation they'll know it was the wrong choice.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    tell me if the law said to teach the ideology of the KKK, would you approve if it was law?

    government is no moral authority at all.

    as I stated to you before government is made up of people who are elected and some appointed.

    each of these people has a set of moral values they believe in, how does their election to office or those being appointed, get them carte blanche. to teach their ideology just because they are in office.

    government has no moral authority, be it on sex, smoking, drinking, gambling, eating.

    if government had such authority it could dictate everyone of those things in our personal life's...........and its never be given that power, in constitutions.
    We teach that everyone has the right to express themselves, which may include a case history on the KKK's efforts to hold a march/parade in a small town in Illinois. Does that bother me? Not at all. Why would it bother you???

    So we shouldn't teach students to be lawful?


    Wow! What a revelation!!! Are you SURE?!?!?


    All they're teaching is the law. What's your problem with that?


    All they're teaching is the law. What's your problem with that?


    Teaching facts is far from "dictating". Maybe that's your problem.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Now we are getting silly
    Now we are getting silly?

    are you suggesting that silliness is something new in this thread?
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Which is more crucial?
    I think that we are dealing with the same thing in both cases. A set of beliefs is factually a religion. This is true for scientists and priests.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I think that we are dealing with the same thing in both cases. A set of beliefs is factually a religion. This is true for scientists and priests.
    The Republican "religion"? The Religion of Gravity?


    Sorry, your claim seems more like a half-truth.
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