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Thread: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Progressives evolve? Into what?
    Homosexuals

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Progressives evolve? Into what?
    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Homosexuals
    Now we are getting silly
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Taxes are pooled together and then doled out. I don't think they could separate the portion of your tax that goes to public school funding, also childless people pay taxes too. Everyone does. Education is of benefit to the entire community, so if you care about your community you won't mind some of your tax money going towards public education.

    As I said earlier though, I think schools and teachers should remain neutral on controversial matters, aside from teaching the facts.

    and my point is, if the public school is going to teach things, which are against a persons religious beliefs, either stop it by letting the child op out, and give the parents their tax money.

    what is wrong if vouchers?.........not only does it help the poor, but it introduces competition into education, becuase the parents have the ability to shop for the best school for their child, and if the school does not do its job, and measure up, ...it does not get paid.

    it forces the school to be a good places on learning or its goes out of business.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    What is a grade shcool of high school, anyway?

    If you are needing suggestions for improving your education beyond a grade school level, though, I'm sure there are some agencies at your disposal that would be most accommodating.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    and my point is, if the public school is going to teach things, which are against a persons religious beliefs, either stop it by letting the child op out, and give the parents their tax money.

    what is wrong if vouchers?.........not only does it help the poor, but it introduces competition into education, becuase the parents have the ability to shop for the best school for their child, and if the school does not do its job, and measure up, ...it does not get paid.

    it forces the school to be a good places on learning or its goes out of business.
    There's nothing wrong with vouchers, but every child can't have a voucher. What is it exactly that they teach in school that you are so afraid of your child learning about. Surely you don't think the school's influence is stronger than your own. Also, I don't know why you have a problem with neutrality on issues.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    There's nothing wrong with vouchers, but every child can't have a voucher. What is it exactly that they teach in school that you are so afraid of your child learning about. Surely you don't think the school's influence is stronger than your own. Also, I don't know why you have a problem with neutrality on issues.
    tell me ....can schools, teach Jesus, was insane Jew, who drank wine and ran about telling people he was the son of god......no

    just like they cannot teach to children homosexuality is bad, they have no authority to teach it is good.

    why have states which have made homosexual marriage legal introduced homosexual relationships as normal in their schools, even though their are people paying taxes to those schools who object to it being taught.

    if schools are going to teach things which are an affront to ones faith, then let them opt out of that teaching, or give them their tax money to shop for a school.

    problem is the left does not want parents getting their tax money, they want children in public schools being taught their ideas, which is why they oppose vouchers.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Taxes are pooled together and then doled out. I don't think they could separate the portion of your tax that goes to public school funding, also childless people pay taxes too. Everyone does. Education is of benefit to the entire community, so if you care about your community you won't mind some of your tax money going towards public education.

    As I said earlier though, I think schools and teachers should remain neutral on controversial matters, aside from teaching the facts.
    Vouchers are a good idea on many levels. They should not be 100% of the per pupil cost of a year of public school; they can be issued at 80% thus "saving" money for all of the taxpayers. Vouchers invite private competition, yet cost the taxpayer's no more money. For each child that "opts out", and uses a voucher, that leaves the "extra" 20% for improving the public school that they would have attended or allowing it to be used for other public goods/services.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    and my point is, if the public school is going to teach things, which are against a persons religious beliefs, either stop it by letting the child op out, and give the parents their tax money.
    Because you pay taxes just like everybody else.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    what is wrong if vouchers?.........not only does it help the poor, but it introduces competition into education, becuase the parents have the ability to shop for the best school for their child, and if the school does not do its job, and measure up, ...it does not get paid.
    why not refund peoples taxes that have no children first?
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    it forces the school to be a good places on learning or its goes out of business.
    No, it elevates you. You don't have to pay taxes because you have taken your kids out of schools, meanwhile you are saying screw childless adults, they don't get any money back.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    tell me ....can schools, teach Jesus, was insane Jew, who drank wine and ran about telling people he was the son of god......no

    just like they cannot teach to children homosexuality is bad, they have no authority to teach it is good.
    Lol! I know, that's why I said they should be NEUTRAL on such things, if they teach them at all. I see no reason for public school to teach about religion or homosexuality at all. Neither of those are academic subjects.

    why have states which have made homosexual marriage legal introduced homosexual relationships as normal in their schools, even though their are people paying taxes to those schools who object to it being taught.

    if schools are going to teach things which are an affront to ones faith, then let them opt out of that teaching, or give them their tax money to shop for a school.
    Have they? I live in MA, and as far as I know they don't teach about being a homosexual.

    problem is the left does not want parents getting their tax money, they want children in public schools being taught their ideas, which is why they oppose vouchers.
    Well I don't know anything about that. I know how I feel, and that is that such subjects are not appropriate for school, except for maybe a casual mention during health class. I see no need to delve into sexuality at school with minors, aside from safe sexual practices and things related to that.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    tell me ....can schools, teach Jesus, was insane Jew, who drank wine and ran about telling people he was the son of god......no

    just like they cannot teach to children homosexuality is bad, they have no authority to teach it is good.

    why have states which have made homosexual marriage legal introduced homosexual relationships as normal in their schools, even though their are people paying taxes to those schools who object to it being taught.

    if schools are going to teach things which are an affront to ones faith, then let them opt out of that teaching, or give them their tax money to shop for a school.

    problem is the left does not want parents getting their tax money, they want children in public schools being taught their ideas, which is why they oppose vouchers.
    They aren't teaching that homosexuality is good.

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