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  • Freedom of Religion

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    10 21.74%
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Thread: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    At one time, it was a minority belief that the earth was round too. Get real, of course teachers should cover all the bases. You're being super ridiculous. It would do absolutely no harm and take no time to mention exactly what was stated in my post.
    That's true. But like with gravity, you still need to do more than pick out a minority view. You can't teach from the outer ring. We can't give the fairies are real view, or that some really believe in big foot. This is about science. School is largely about baseline. And baseline isn't about pretending all voices in the wilderness are equal to large bodies of peer reviewed accepted work.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    So you think that teachers should teach it as undisputed fact? That's interesting considering that it is not.
    Teach what as undisputed fact? Scientific theories? As I just said, one of the first things they teach in science class is the difference between theory and fact. If the students don't learn the lesson who's fault is that?


    As for the theories themselves, yes, they should teach the scientific consensus because that's all their is to teach. As I stated earlier, even the "laws" of gravity, the Theory of Relativity, and the Standard Model of particle physics, which is the most supported theory in the world, are nothing more than scientific consensus.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    At one time, it was a minority belief that the earth was round too. Get real, of course teachers should cover all the bases. You're being super ridiculous. It would do absolutely no harm and take no time to mention exactly what was stated in my post.
    Maybe the minority of people but not a minority of what would have been called "scientists" of the time. Once the evidence was presented to those of knowledge and inquiry, the only place where the flat Earth survived was in the masses and the Church. Columbus knew he wasn't going to sail off the edge of the Earth even if some of his men believed it.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Teach what as undisputed fact? Scientific theories? As I just said, one of the first things they teach in science class is the difference between theory and fact. If the students don't learn the lesson who's fault is that?


    As for the theories themselves, yes, they should teach the scientific consensus because that's all their is to teach. As I stated earlier, even the "laws" of gravity, the Theory of Relativity, and the Standard Model of particle physics, which is the most supported theory in the world, are nothing more than scientific consensus.
    Yes, but none of those theories have a group or groups of scientists who disagree with it.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Maybe the minority of people but not a minority of what would have been called "scientists" of the time. Once the evidence was presented to those of knowledge and inquiry, the only place where the flat Earth survived was in the masses and the Church. Columbus knew he wasn't going to sail off the edge of the Earth even if some of his men believed it.
    Bull, the people who believed the earth was round were laughing stocks at the time. Nobody wanted to believe them.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes, but it still doesn't qualify as a fact. Plenty of theories throughout history have been proven wrong. I know you want to believe that man is entirely responsible for global warming, but I'm not buying that. I think it's probably a combination of many different factors.
    What makes scientific fact and law then?
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Bull, the people who believed the earth was round were laughing stocks at the time. Nobody wanted to believe them.
    Don't know your history. The EDUCATED elite knew the world was a globe at the time of Columbus' voyage but there was disagreement on the diameter.

    Here's a link to a fairly detailed but not too long blog about who it was who determined the earth is round.
    One of the most enduring myths that children grow up with is the idea that Columbus was the only one of his time who believed that the Earth was round; everyone else believed it was flat. “How brave the sailors of 1492 must have been,” you might imagine, “to travel towards the edge of the world without fear of falling off!”
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Don't know your history. The EDUCATED elite knew the world was a globe at the time of Columbus' voyage but there was disagreement on the diameter.

    Here's a link to a fairly detailed but not too long blog about who it was who determined the earth is round.
    Good stuff. But none of this lends any credence to the homosexual assault on marriage.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Don't know your history. The EDUCATED elite knew the world was a globe at the time of Columbus' voyage but there was disagreement on the diameter.

    Here's a link to a fairly detailed but not too long blog about who it was who determined the earth is round.
    Good stuff. But none of this lends any credence to the homosexual assault on marriage.
    This is a truly bizarre response to my post but when one has an obsession, I suppose everything can be used as support for that obsession
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This is a truly bizarre response to my post but when one has an obsession, I suppose everything can be used as support for that obsession
    Keep your pants on, comrade. Just tying in with the op.

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