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  • Freedom of Religion

    26 56.52%
  • Mandate to Evolve

    10 21.74%
  • Both are equally crucial

    10 21.74%
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Thread: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Best available evidence right now, which could possibly be proven as wrong at some point in the future, which is why it is very important that the teacher not teach it as if it's a fact.
    No, he has no choice. There is scientific community that doubts it. He would be denying science.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Best available evidence right now, which could possibly be proven as wrong at some point in the future, which is why it is very important that the teacher not teach it as if it's a fact.
    Few scientific theories are taught as a fact - in science class - because one of the first things you learn in science class is the difference between a theory and a fact. It's a fact that the moon has been in orbit all of recorded history. The theory of gravity explains why it's in orbit and remains there* - but Newton's Theory of Gravity was "wrong", not a fact. Even Newton know it was wrong but it was the best he could do at the time. Einstein's Theory of Relativity, which "replaced" Newton, is also not a fact (and has been shown wrong, or maybe "not applicable to some things" is a better term) but it's the best we can do for now. The same goes for the Standard Model of quantum physics, which has more experimental support than any other theory in the history of science.


    ((*In actual fact, the moon is slowly moving away from us.))


    But we do teach these theories as being commonly accepted - having a consensus among scientists in that field - so Boo Radley is right.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Few scientific theories are taught as a fact - in science class - because one of the first things you learn in science class is the difference between a theory and a fact. It's a fact that the moon has been in orbit all of recorded history. The theory of gravity explains why it's in orbit and remains there* - but Newton's Theory of Gravity was "wrong", not a fact. Even Newton know it was wrong but it was the best he could do at the time. Einstein's Theory of Relativity, which "replaced" Newton, is also not a fact (and has been shown wrong, or maybe "not applicable to some things" is a better term) but it's the best we can do for now. The same goes for the Standard Model of quantum physics, which has more experimental support than any other theory in the history of science.


    ((*In actual fact, the moon is slowly moving away from us.))


    But we do teach these theories as being commonly accepted - having a consensus among scientists in that field - so Boo Radley is right.
    So you think that teachers should teach it as undisputed fact? That's interesting considering that it is not.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    So you think that teachers should teach it as undisputed fact? That's interesting considering that it is not.
    It's pretty close. Next best thing. It is not as debatable as you seem to think. Scientist are not debating it. And teachers would be guilty of opinion if they taught it like there was a debate among scientist.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's pretty close. Next best thing. It is not as debatable as you seem to think. Scientist are not debating it. And teachers would be guilty of opinion if they taught it like there was a debate among scientist.
    There are other scientists who are no schleps who DO disagree.

    This is what they should teach. This is the truth and the facts.

    However, there is also a small but vocal number of scientists in climate and climate-related fields that disagree with the consensus view.
    Global warming controversy

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    There are other scientists who are no schleps who DO disagree.

    This is what they should teach. This is the truth and the facts.



    Global warming controversy
    There are very, very few of them, and most outside the actual field. Related fields, as in your link, are not the same as the experts in the actual field. They are an overwhelming minority, with no where near the support of the others. It would be biased and dishonest to treat them as equal.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There are very, very few of them, and most outside the actual field. Related fields, as in your link, are not the same as the experts in the actual field. They are an overwhelming minority, with no where near the support of the others. It would be biased and dishonest to treat them as equal.
    No it wouldn't at all. They are scientists with credentials. There is nothing wrong with mentioning that to the kids. What you are suggesting is dishonest.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    No it wouldn't at all. They are scientists with credentials. There is nothing wrong with mentioning that to the kids. What you are suggesting is dishonest.
    No it isn't. I can find those believe in fairies. This shows you can find an minority view of anything. But these few are not really engaged in any serious debate. They have next to no standing, and are really nothing more a sign of the modern world where you can find anyone to say anything.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No it isn't. I can find those believe in fairies. This shows you can find an minority view of anything. But these few are not really engaged in any serious debate. They have next to no standing, and are really nothing more a sign of the modern world where you can find anyone to say anything.
    At one time, it was a minority belief that the earth was round too. Get real, of course teachers should cover all the bases. You're being super ridiculous. It would do absolutely no harm and take no time to mention exactly what was stated in my post.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Is this poll a joke? And here we go with the climate change stuff again. There's a thread or three for that, I think.
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