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Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

Which is more crucial

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MoSurveyor said:
Tolerance extends to other people, not concepts of morality. Your ignorance of tolerance is still showing.
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How is it intolerable to want to remain neutral? You're really stretching here. Careful you might pull something! :lol:
 
Somerville said:
"Teaching" tolerance means instructing students as to acceptable behaviour. One could see your response as "Wait until something bad happens and then punish the perpetrator(s)." That is a bit of locking the stables after the horses have run away. It is far better to explain acceptable behaviour before bad things happen. If a student's beliefs cause them to reject friendship with another student who is seen as 'unclean' - fine, but those beliefs should not be allowed to cause physical or emotional harm to the other student. Tolerance should be seen as accepting the existence of others, particularly LGBT, nothing more.

Those of one group don't have to like those others but they at the same time cannot be allowed to harm the others. Sometimes this must be taught to students, particularly when they are hearing bigotry and prejudice at home
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Of course, that is what student/parent handbooks are for. They outline appropriate behavior. The children take these home to their parents, and the parents sign an agreement stating that they discussed proper behavior with their child/children. Of course, on the first day of school, going over the rules and such other things is completely acceptable, so that should be taken care of then.
 
Gardener said:
One might ask you the same question ;)
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And the answer would be that I'm not obsessed with it. I do not advocate according homosexuality some special status.
 
Artevelde said:
Is that the topic? That schools should teach tolerance particularly of homosexuality?
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No, but homosexuality apparently is, despite the obtuse thread title.
 
They aren't mutually exclusive...so the poll is flawed from the start.
 
Artevelde said:
And the answer would be that I'm not obsessed with it. I do not advocate according homosexuality some special status.
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Ah -- no "special" status. I get it.

That would indicate you support the right of a gay person to marry whoever they choose just like anybody else and think schools should teach that they are perfectly normal just like anybody else. You know -- not special.

Unless you mean "special" in that same Orwellian sense that you use the term "intolerant", in which case, what you really mean is quite the opposite.
 
One of the biggest problems is that many who cry about "Freedom of Religion" mistake the concept with the Freedom to require and force everyone to adhere to their particular religion and beliefs.
 
Artevelde said:
Who exactly has been talking about physically and verbally abusing classmates?
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from 2006
Christians Sue for Right Not to Tolerate Policies
Many codes intended to protect gays from harassment are illegal, conservatives argue.

ATLANTA — Ruth Malhotra went to court last month for the right to be intolerant.

Malhotra says her Christian faith compels her to speak out against homosexuality. But the Georgia Institute of Technology, where she's a senior, bans speech that puts down others because of their sexual orientation.
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from 2012
Kentucky House panel turns down anti-bullying bill despite pleas from parents

The House Education Committee rejected an anti-bullying bill Tuesday after hearing emotional pleas from the parents and friends of teens who committed suicide in recent months.


Read more here: House panel turns down anti-bullying bill despite pleas from parents | Politics and Government | Kentucky.com
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Gardener said:
Ah -- no "special" status. I get it.

That would indicate you support the right of a gay person to marry whoever they choose just like anybody else and think schools should teach that they are perfectly normal just like anybody else. You know -- not special.

Unless you mean "special" in that same Orwellian sense that you use the term "intolerant", in which case, what you really mean is quite the opposite.
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Why do you start another topic? You really must be obsessed with this.

What I supprt I have indicated reeatedly and clearly in this thread: That schools should teach cildren reading, writing, mathematics, science, history, geography, etc. - i.e. the skills they need - and that the teaching of morality is something that should be left to parents, family, friends, etc.
 
ChrisL said:
How is it intolerable to want to remain neutral? You're really stretching here. Careful you might pull something! :lol:
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Remain neutral? In relation to what? How to treat other people, including your classmates? Even most places of employment have rules about tolerance that everyone has to follow - and most spend at least a little time explaining those rules to new employees. I see no reason schools should be any different
 
Artevelde said:
The person to whom I reacted and who advocated teaching tolerance "particularly" for homosexuality.
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Telling kids they have to treat gays like every one else is not a special status.
 
MoSurveyor said:
Remain neutral? In relation to what? How to treat other people, including your classmates? Even most places of employment have rules about tolerance that everyone has to follow - and most spend at least a little time explaining those rules to new employees. I see no reason schools should be any different
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Exactly, that is what the student-parent handbooks specifically cover. I also acknowledged that the first day of school can be spent going over rules. There should be nothing more than that. After that, if a child misbehaves, they are punished for it. Simple.
 
Artevelde said:
Why "particularly" this one group? Why are you so obsessed with homosexuality?
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Because of the high suicide rate for LGBT teens there has been a lot of focus on them. This does not mean that other groups aren't also discriminated against and harassed by fellow students.
 
MoSurveyor said:
Remain neutral? In relation to what? How to treat other people, including your classmates? Even most places of employment have rules about tolerance that everyone has to follow - and most spend at least a little time explaining those rules to new employees. I see no reason schools should be any different
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Are you advocating that pupils should be made to behave civilly in school? I'm all for it. That has nothing to do with teaching them about what forms of sexuality are "right" or "wrong".
 
Redress said:
Telling kids they have to treat gays like every one else is not a special status.
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Why only gays?

Children have to treat every one of their colleagues civilly. That's all.
 
Redress said:
Maybe because that is the topic of this thread?
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It is? Whether freedom or religion or "mandate to evolve", seems the homosexuals loose either way, assuming of course you believe that anyone who is religious is anti-homosexuals also (which seems to be a common thought here).

I would have to say that homosexuality is definitely not the topic of the thread.
 
Redress said:
Telling kids they have to treat gays like every one else is not a special status.
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It doesn't have to specify "gays." There are also children with disabilities who are picked on, children of different ethnic groups who are picked on, nerds, etc. Any type of abuse, verbal or otherwise, shouldn't be tolerated against any student regardless of the reason.
 
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