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  • Freedom of Religion

    26 56.52%
  • Mandate to Evolve

    10 21.74%
  • Both are equally crucial

    10 21.74%
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Thread: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I agree with that. Merely argue they can express opinion as long as it is expressed that way, and the teaching is about reason and evidence.

    There is also an area that wouldn't be opinion, but some here would call it that. The area of global warming would fall under that category.
    But what causes it could be considered a matter of opinion.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    But what causes it could be considered a matter of opinion.
    An instructor should give the best evidence. Stating that he consensus is this, is doing his job properly. If he or she says man has no role in GW, he or she is guilty of putting opinion over best evidence.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    An instructor should give the best evidence. Stating that he consensus is this, is doing his job properly. If he or she says man has no role in GW, he or she is guilty of putting opinion over best evidence.
    No, they could say that we are not yet sure what causes it . . . because we aren't, just hypotheses right now.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You're the one trying to get me to pay for your lunch so unapologetically. Y'all claim "it doesn't take a village", but you sure as heck are OK with stealing from the village to fund your own needs and kids. Socialists.
    The village is doing just fine without us. Don't force us to burn it down, comrade.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    No, they could say that we are not yet sure what causes it . . . because we aren't, just hypotheses right now.
    That would be a lie. A scientific hypotheses (theory which is the proper word) is more than not knowing. It's the bet evidence, and considered fact until proven otherwise.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That would be a lie. A scientific hypotheses (theory which is the proper word) is more than not knowing. It's the bet evidence, and considered fact until proven otherwise.
    Nope, not a fact. A theory that is supported by limited evidence.

    hy·poth·e·sis
    /hīˈpäTHəsis/
    Noun
    A supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.
    A proposition made as a basis for reasoning, without any assumption of its truth.
    Synonyms
    supposition - assumption - conjecture - presumption

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Nope, not a fact. A theory that is supported by limited evidence.

    hy·poth·e·sis
    /hīˈpäTHəsis/
    Noun
    A supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.
    A proposition made as a basis for reasoning, without any assumption of its truth.
    Synonyms
    supposition - assumption - conjecture - presumption

    Try this one:

    When used in non-scientific context, the word “theory” implies that something is unproven or speculative. As used in science, however, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena.

    What is a Scientific Theory? | Definition of Theory | LiveScience

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Try this one:

    When used in non-scientific context, the word “theory” implies that something is unproven or speculative. As used in science, however, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena.

    What is a Scientific Theory? | Definition of Theory | LiveScience
    Yes, but it still doesn't qualify as a fact. Plenty of theories throughout history have been proven wrong. I know you want to believe that man is entirely responsible for global warming, but I'm not buying that. I think it's probably a combination of many different factors.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes, but it still doesn't qualify as a fact. Plenty of theories throughout history have been proven wrong. I know you want to believe that man is entirely responsible for global warming, but I'm not buying that. I think it's probably a combination of many different factors.
    As close as you can get. It's not near as debatable as some suggest. It is based in the best available evidence and is considered fact. Gravity is a theory. It is possible one day we'll learn more and change that theory. But we don't pretend there's a serious anti gravity argument.

    The point is not to debate GW, but that the instructor has to present the best available evidence as it is. The political debate (as there really is no scientific debate) happens outside the science class.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As close as you can get. It's not near as debatable as some suggest. It is based in the best available evidence and is considered fact. Gravity is a theory. It is possible one day we'll learn more and change that theory. But we don't pretend there's a serious anti gravity argument.

    The point is not to debate GW, but that the instructor has to present the best available evidence as it is. The political debate (as there really is no scientific debate) happens outside the science class.
    Best available evidence right now, which could possibly be proven as wrong at some point in the future, which is why it is very important that the teacher not teach it as if it's a fact.

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