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  • Freedom of Religion

    26 56.52%
  • Mandate to Evolve

    10 21.74%
  • Both are equally crucial

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Thread: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Ignore him. Don't let anyone get in the way of your love for taxes.
    Why? If you commies are going to make me pay for your lunch, then I should get something in return. Man you socialists are interesting folk.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    do you know any grade schools of high schools which take adults?
    What is a grade shcool of high school, anyway?

    If you are needing suggestions for improving your education beyond a grade school level, though, I'm sure there are some agencies at your disposal that would be most accommodating.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why? If you commies are going to make me pay for your lunch, then I should get something in return. Man you socialists are interesting folk.
    I'm over here, Ikari. Stop beating yourself up.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    I'm over here, Ikari. Stop beating yourself up.
    You're the one trying to get me to pay for your lunch so unapologetically. Y'all claim "it doesn't take a village", but you sure as heck are OK with stealing from the village to fund your own needs and kids. Socialists.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    an adult, with no child should get a school voucher?.

    do you know any grade schools of high schools which take adults?
    Taxes are pooled together and then doled out. I don't think they could separate the portion of your tax that goes to public school funding, also childless people pay taxes too. Everyone does. Education is of benefit to the entire community, so if you care about your community you won't mind some of your tax money going towards public education.

    As I said earlier though, I think schools and teachers should remain neutral on controversial matters, aside from teaching the facts.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post

    As I said earlier though, I think schools and teachers should remain neutral on controversial matters, aside from teaching the facts.
    Age certainly plays a role here, but if we distinguish between information and opinion, I think there are places to discuss opinion. Eventually a student will ask. No value in pretending you don't have one. But, reason, evidence, the things schools should focus on should rule the day. Not ideology.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Age certainly plays a role here, but if we distinguish between information and opinion, I think there are places to discuss opinion. Eventually a student will ask. No value in pretending you don't have one. But, reason, evidence, the things schools should focus on should rule the day. Not ideology.
    When I learned the theory of evolution in school, I don't remember my teacher ever giving her own opinion on the matter. She just taught without interjecting her own opinions.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    When I learned the theory of evolution in school, I don't remember my teacher ever giving her own opinion on the matter. She just taught without interjecting her own opinions.
    Wasn't there. If it's a science class, giving a lecture on what the theory is. That seems appropriate. Religion class might do it differently. But if we're in philosophy, or even composition, discussing the areas of debate would be appropriate. And within that context, opinion and fact can be discussed.

    Even in the science class, evaluating evidence would be more than appropriate. Saw some good work students in such a class where they evaluated the sources, discussed why they used them, sources they chose not to se and why, and what in these sources was fact, and what was opinion. It was a great exercise.

    But, whenever you tackle anything controversial, you will be asked what your opinion is and why. Better to have it in the open, stated clearly as opinion, than hidden.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Wasn't there. If it's a science class, giving a lecture on what the theory is. That seems appropriate. Religion class might do it differently. But if we're in philosophy, or even composition, discussing the areas of debate would be appropriate. And within that context, opinion and fact can be discussed.

    Even in the science class, evaluating evidence would be more than appropriate. Saw some good work students in such a class where they evaluated the sources, discussed why they used them, sources they chose not to se and why, and what in these sources was fact, and what was opinion. It was a great exercise.

    But, whenever you tackle anything controversial, you will be asked what your opinion is and why. Better to have it in the open, stated clearly as opinion, than hidden.
    But I'm not talking about students expressing their opinions. I'm talking about teachers perhaps teaching according to their own biases and ideals.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    But I'm not talking about students expressing their opinions. I'm talking about teachers perhaps teaching according to their own biases and ideals.
    I agree with that. Merely argue they can express opinion as long as it is expressed that way, and the teaching is about reason and evidence.

    There is also an area that wouldn't be opinion, but some here would call it that. The area of global warming would fall under that category.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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