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  • Freedom of Religion

    26 56.52%
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Thread: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Quit lying. Not everyone agreed with Madison's interpretation, making a lot of his stuff null and void.

    One signatory can't decide what is meant in a contract after-the-fact, the law doesn't work that way.

    lying....?

    who wrote more on the constitution then Madison?

    did madison lay the framework of the constitution or did someone else.?

    who lived longer then any other founders, and wrote of it up to his death?

    you throwing out the word liar......shows you have nothing.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    And one of those powers is spending money for the general welfare. You are misinterpreting again.

    which is the 18 powers of congress, becuase those are enumerated powers.

    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no i want my school taxes, and you can pay them if you wish to send your child to public school.

    vouchers for those who wish to send their children to a school of there choice.
    If you get that, then I don't have to pay for your schools at all (where do you think you're going to get funding for those vouchers?).
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    which is the 18 powers of congress, becuase those are enumerated powers.

    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

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    It would fall under general Welfare
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It would fall under general Welfare
    general welfare= 18 enumerated powers.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If you get that, then I don't have to pay for your schools at all (where do you think you're going to get funding for those vouchers?).
    if you had a kid, and your paying taxes, would be be able to go to public schools ...yes.

    if i have a kid, and i am paying those same taxes, should i not be able to have them to send him to a school of my choice, since public schools want to force teach things, are against my religion...yes

    would this be also not good for the poor, since it empowers them , to look for a better schools for there child.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    if you had a kid, and your paying taxes, would be be able to go to public schools ...yes.

    if i have a kid, and i am paying those same taxes, should i not be able to have them to send him to a school of my choice, since public schools want to force teach things, are against my religion...yes

    would this be also not good for the poor, since it empowers them , to look for a better schools for there child.
    If I don't have a kid, why should I pay for your schooling?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If I don't have a kid, why should I pay for your schooling?

    well that is a good point.

    my mother pays and she is now 79...long way from sending kids to school.

    it is the state which wants your money, to use as they see fit, if you not getting anything out of it,... its like taxation without representation.

    i want americans to keep most of their money, and government use only what is needed, and spend that money wisely

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If I don't have a kid, why should I pay for your schooling?
    Because its better for all of us if he's educated. It really is. So, you get something out of it, a more educated populace.

    And Ernest, it's not any thing taxation without representation. We all representatives who debated this and any one paying any kind of attention knows what they are getting.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well that is a good point.

    my mother pays and she is now 79...long way from sending kids to school.

    it is the state which wants your money, to use as they see fit, if you not getting anything out of it,... its like taxation without representation.

    i want americans to keep most of their money, and government use only what is needed, and spend that money wisely
    So you would take more money from your mother, because vouchers take you out of the tax pool thus increasing the burden on people Luke your mother.

    Just pay your taxes.

    We all want the administrations to take less money, and don't act like you aren't represented, vote for schoolboard presidents and school officials.

    Schools teach evolution many people think that is against their religion. Your religion doesn't get to dictate education.

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