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  • Freedom of Religion

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Thread: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    Hamilton lived only until 1804 when he was shot to death, ...Madison lived until 1836 and wrote on the Constitution almost to his death, and wrote many pieces of work on it.
    That didn't make Madison King of America with his interpretation the only contribution. Contracts to this day still stand on their own in court. They don't depend on what one signatory says was the intent of the contract when it was signed. Obviously Hamilton didn't agree with Madison and Hamilton also signed that contract along with dozens of other people, some of whom, no doubt, also disagreed with Madison's interpretations.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    please provide how i steal your money?

    please make it good.
    You make me pay for your schools. You make me pay for your parks that are predominately used by families. Families tend to use the roads more, but don't pay their proportionate share. Mortgages are subsidized through tax write offs for families and made up by higher taxes on single people. Tax write offs for kids put higher tax pressure on those not getting discounts because the kids will use resources that are publicly funded and those funds still need to be made, so higher taxes on single people to subsidize your kids. And a plethora of other tax write offs and other subsidization for your family and your kids at MY expense. But you're OK eating my lunch, so long as no one is nibbling at yours.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    I think the Left disagrees with you.
    As a steadfast and firm member of the radical left ... you're wrong.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    As a steadfast and firm member of the radical left ... you're wrong.
    Well, that's no good, as anyone who isn't a complete, bald face, liar knows that you can't take a liberal's word for anything.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Well, that's no good, as anyone who isn't a complete, bald face, liar knows that you can't take a liberal's word for anything.
    Or perhaps anybody who doesn't make such stupid, childish statements is just a liberal by default.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Here Hamilton is talking about things other then spending money. The federal government does not have a school district it runs. It is doing nothing but spending money on education, which also includes coordination and research in education. (Spending money on research is also acceptable.) It is not localizing one area, it is spreading those funds out to every state of the union. All of this is 100% within the powers of Congress under the general welfare clause. Quit being dense and/or dishonest.


    The only qualification of the generality of the Phrase in question, which seems to be admissible, is this–That the object to which an appropriation of money is to be made be General and not local; its operation extending in fact, or by possibility, throughout the Union, and not being confined to a particular spot.

    No objection ought to arise to this construction from a supposition that it would imply a power to do whatever else should appear to Congress conducive to the General Welfare. A power to appropriate money with this latitude which is granted too in express terms would not carry a power to do any other thing, not authorized in the constitution, either expressly or by fair implication.


    This quote even Alexander Hamilton was arguing that the general welfare phrase only applies to the powers authorize to Congress in the Constitution. Again we see the founders had a clear view of this phrase even when they seem to contradict themselves.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    That didn't make Madison King of America with his interpretation the only contribution. Contracts to this day still stand on their own in court. They don't depend on what one signatory says was the intent of the contract when it was signed. Obviously Hamilton didn't agree with Madison and Hamilton also signed that contract along with dozens of other people, some of whom, no doubt, also disagreed with Madison's interpretations.
    excuse me....i said no one has written more of the constitution than Madison, laid its framework, months before the convention, when it came to constitution, no one has written more on it over 45 year after it ratification.

    tell me, who have provide more information than Madison on the constitution...no one.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You make me pay for your schools. You make me pay for your parks that are predominately used by families. Families tend to use the roads more, but don't pay their proportionate share. Mortgages are subsidized through tax write offs for families and made up by higher taxes on single people. Tax write offs for kids put higher tax pressure on those not getting discounts because the kids will use resources that are publicly funded and those funds still need to be made, so higher taxes on single people to subsidize your kids. And a plethora of other tax write offs and other subsidization for your family and your kids at MY expense. But you're OK eating my lunch, so long as no one is nibbling at yours.

    You make me pay for your schools.

    schools are a state power, there is no federal authority in the constitution over schools, so any federal government in schools is unconstitutional.

    states have the power to tax, for fire, police, schools, and other services which they provide, these are known has privileges provided by government.

    government cannot take your tax money for these things, and not give the privileges that go with them.......if they tax you for them, they have to provide them to you, and they do if you have a child ,that child can go to school however, no one is exempt from paying schools taxes, even old people have to pay them, as my own mother even though she is 79, they make her pay, even though she has long pass sending kids to school, the reason government wants money for its operations, and they dont care who they get it from.




    You make me pay for your parks that are predominately used by families.

    state parks are legal, national parks are unconstitutional, read article 1 section 8 of the constitution, read the17th clause.

    states take tax money which is legal to tax and create parks, which is another privilege to society the state has created.


    Families tend to use the roads more, but don't pay their proportionate share.

    how would you solve this problem have government monitor peoples driving?....taxes are use to create material goods...roads, buildings..... and services for the people. ....there is no equal share of usage, .....its based on do you get to use it and ...you do.


    Mortgages are subsidized through tax write offs for families and made up by higher taxes on single people.

    the federal government has no authority in mortgages..unconstitutional..it is only charged with paying ...............the debts , the powers the duites it has and the defense of america.......mortgages are not part of congress powers and duties.

    states have the power to tax, and to create such tax legislation, and they can create tax write offs.


    Tax write offs for kids put higher tax pressure on those not getting discounts because the kids will use resources that are publicly funded and those funds still need to be made, so higher taxes on single people to subsidize your kids.

    you are not clear here, so i cannot comment on any federal power.

    again states have the power to tax and spend money on infrastructure, and services for its people, its a legal power, how they spend it depends on the people of the state, this is were your vote really counts on who you send to your state legislature.


    And a plethora of other tax write offs and other subsidization for your family and your kids at MY expense.

    no federal authority under the tax laws to give certain people write offs and others none, unconstitutional, the founders wanted the tax structure of america to be uniform, ....not progressive as it is today.

    there is suppose to be equally under the law, however our tax system is far from it.

    states can tax many things, however they are supposed to base there taxes also on equality, however they dont, and many people pay taxes, and some pay none, and receive money from government freely from both federal and state.

    But you're OK eating my lunch, so long as no one is nibbling at yours.[/QUOTE]

    wrong, i am a constitutionalists, which means the federal constitution and state constitution have to be followed to the letter.

    most of what the federal government is doing is unconstitutional, becuase the constitutions only grants the federal government 18 powers, and give them no jurisdiction at all out of d.c. or where a state and the federal government agree for buildings only.

    many states are very liberal, and with that ideology, they wish to spend tax money for society of their state, however they dont look at cost, but only care about needs of people. which is bankrupting their states.......so if your state is liberal....there you go!

    i dont want you money used foolishly...its your money,....... i want it spent wisely on things our society must have, not those things we just .......want and desire
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    This post would be of value of you lost anything. You don't. There is nothing wrong with teaching kids that bring gay is okay, just like there is no harm in teaching that it's okay to worship Buda.

    The problem is that you think it's wrong, fine, think it's wrong, HOME SCHOOL . I am sorry you can't have your cake and eat it also. Teaching kids that something like homosexuality is wrong is about like teaching that religion is wrong. You should be outraged what if your kid was gay?

    Yes it is in my favor, but if they were teaching that it was wrong to be a evangelical nut job I would have a problem with that.
    then stop stealing my tax money from me for schools, and then demanding i be taught your ideology.

    government have no moral authority to teach there ideas.

    government is composed of people...again people, just becuase they are elected, and some appointed by elected officials, does not give them power to institute their moral code on the people.

    example:

    you and i have a total different point of view on sexuality....and we never are going to eye to eye because we have different ideologies.

    then i become governor of the state, and i use my power to make other people including you accept my ideology, thru the power of the schools system...is that right for me to do that..........no!

    just becuase i am elected does not give me power to force on you..... my ideology.

    elected officials are not gods, they have no power of force over people.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Or perhaps anybody who doesn't make such stupid, childish statements is just a liberal by default.
    That's just wishful thinking on your part. Stop sipping the kool-aid.

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