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  • Freedom of Religion

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Thread: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You just don't get it, do you? Or rather, you don't WANT to get it because it's as plain as day to everyone else and it flies in the face of your precious theories. This is like discussing evolution with a Young Earther!

    Since he wasn't the only signatory he is not the only and last source for it's interpretation.

    The constitution stands on it's own by it's own words as does every other contract ever written. No ONE signatory of a contract can decide what is and isn't meant by the contract, only the courts have that power.

    To top it off, Hamilton, which was also a signatory, interprets it differently - so quit acting like Madison is the one and only source or opinion that matters. Madison wasn't the King of America and he doesn't get to dictate from the grave what the constitution means. Get over it!
    Hamilton lived only until 1804 when he was shot to death, ...Madison lived until 1836 and wrote on the Constitution almost to his death, and wrote many pieces of work on it.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    yes, but taxes are legal, and a law which prevents the physical damage of a person or property before it could happen is legal by statutory law.

    example, its against the law to store propane near a source of heat, becuase it could explode and cause damage.

    however laws which force me to engage in actions i do not wish to engage in are unlawful.

    if i wish to engage in something with is not a right like driving i have to play by the states rules.

    but the state mandating my child must receive schooling and taking my tax money to do it, and then teaching them things which are against my beliefs.. thats wrong.

    its not different then the schools teaching homosexuality is wrong in the 50's is wrong.
    HOME SCHOOL THEM THEN

    They take my money to teach kids I didn't bring into this world. I should get my taxes back first.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
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    this idea that parents should pay taxes to support a public school and then the public schools does things the parents disapprove of, does not sound like the nation of the founders to me.
    The fact that i have to pay for public schools and didn't have any children in them is far more abusive.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    it does not matter and its not your call to tell something what they must be taught, people can be bigots, racist, or whatever, its not a crime, and no one has the authority to tell another person what to do.
    You are right it is not my call, if it was my call parents would teach their children and public schools wouldn't exist. But it's not my call. It's the school districts and states call.

    Nobody is taking away your right to be a bigot. If you want to teach your kids that the earth is flat and the sun comes up because a magical dragon drags it through the sky, do it. No law says you can't.

    If you go to public school and exist in that environment yes just like traffic people do have the right to tell you what to do in that setting, solution, alternative schooling.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    HOME SCHOOL THEM THEN

    They take my money to teach kids I didn't bring into this world. I should get my taxes back first.
    Single people are often used as sources of subsidization for families. Families get all sorts of tax breaks and credits, but all that has to get paid; and it's paid by single people. Even though the families are using disproportionately more of the "public" resources.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Single people are often used as sources of subsidization for families. Families get all sorts of tax breaks and credits, but all that has to get paid; and it's paid by single people. Even though the families are using disproportionately more of the "public" resources.
    If there is anything unfair to complain about it's that. But i will go one farther. I have a boyfriend we are both men we took in a boy we are a household but can't be called one because two men can't be a household.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    If there is anything unfair to complain about it's that. But i will go one farther. I have a boyfriend we are both men we took in a boy we are a household but can't be called one because two men can't be a household.
    In my world, I'd call you a household, but you'd get no special tax credits or subsidies. Not based on the fact that it wold be a same sex marriage, but on the fact that no marriage will get any special tax credits or subsidies. You had a kid? Good for you, don't expect me to pay for it. How many of the "small government conservative" types would go postal if their subsidies and tax payer hand outs were taken away?

    So many of these people are just government dependents, and they don't even know it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    HOME SCHOOL THEM THEN

    They take my money to teach kids I didn't bring into this world. I should get my taxes back first.
    then give me my tax money to solve the problem!

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    then give me my tax money to solve the problem!
    Give me mine first. I'm paying for your schools and your parks and all the other public places you are taking your kids and enjoying that I am not going to because it's full of people and their bratty kids. Give me back the tax write offs you have as a family on your mortgage. Give me back all your tax credits for your kids. You're eating other people's lunches and you won't even admit it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    The fact that i have to pay for public schools and didn't have any children in them is far more abusive.

    You are right it is not my call, if it was my call parents would teach their children and public schools wouldn't exist. But it's not my call. It's the school districts and states call.

    Nobody is taking away your right to be a bigot. If you want to teach your kids that the earth is flat and the sun comes up because a magical dragon drags it through the sky, do it. No law says you can't.

    If you go to public school and exist in that environment yes just like traffic people do have the right to tell you what to do in that setting, solution, alternative schooling.
    america is not a democracy where you get to determine the rights of other people, ....be it you , or the state.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Give me mine first. I'm paying for your schools and your parks and all the other public places you are taking your kids and enjoying that I am not going to because it's full of people and their bratty kids. Give me back the tax write offs you have as a family on your mortgage. Give me back all your tax credits for your kids. You're eating other people's lunches and you won't even admit it.
    difference........my money is taxed from me, and i am commanded to send my child to an institution i am paying for, which is doing me a disservice by promoting things from there point of morality[ which they dont have the authority to teach] to children i dont believe in.

    so my tax money is being used against me...is the park or things you name being used against you...no!

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