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  • Freedom of Religion

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Thread: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You don't know the truth. Your fixation blinds you. I see more zealot in you than scholar.
    well its thats what you think, ...your welcome to your own opinion.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well its thats what you think, ...your welcome to your own opinion.
    I have tried to help you. But it is almost impossible to teach someone what he already thinks he knows.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I have tried to help you. But it is almost impossible to teach someone what he already thinks he knows.
    i am sorry if its your attempt, to embellish what you believe you think you know .......go ahead.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i am sorry if its your attempt, to embellish what you believe you think you know .......go ahead.
    Nope. Meant just as I said it.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nope. Meant just as I said it.
    OK, you go on believing what you believe...

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    please to me, how this justifies the federal government creating a department of education.

    your post pertains to discrimination law, that state governments, with its schools cannot discriminate.

    it gives no power to congress to create a dept, of allot money for such.......your link fails.
    Since you do enjoy long, rambling posts here's one for you - though it is very short of your usual length ...
    These three qualifications excepted, the power to raise money is plenary and indefinite, and the objects to which it may be appropriated, are no less comprehensive thin the payment of the public debts, and the providing for the common defence and general welfare. The terms "general welfare" were doubtless intended to signify more than was expressed or imported in those which preceded; otherwise, numerous exigencies incident to the affairs of a nation would have been left without a provision. The phrase is as comprehensive as any that could have been used; because it was not fit that the constitutional authority of the Union to appropriate its revenues should have been restricted within narrower limits than the "general welfare;" and because this necessarily embraces a vast variety of particulars, which are susceptible neither of specification nor of definition.
    It is therefore of necessity left to the discretion of the National Legislature, to pronounce, upon the objects, which concern the general Welfare, and for which under that description, an appropriation of money is requisite and proper. And there seems to be no room for a doubt that whatever concerns the general Interests of learning of Agriculture of Manufactures and of Commerce are within the sphere of the national Councils as far as regards an application of Money.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    question can people be made to do things against their will, if they have none nothing wrong????
    Your source showed no examples of this. Your source was a pack of lies that you have yet to defend and instead try and divert away from.

    according to records ..federal ,state, and private the original 13th was published for over 65 years
    Well, no. You bought into the conspiracy nonsense, much like here.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no... your wrong us usual.
    So Madison was a King who dictated the Constitution to the People of the United States? They got no say at all?? They all agreed with his interpretation of the Constitution 100%?!?


    You know, I usually only award 3/3 but in this case you get 4/3 ...

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Since you do enjoy long, rambling posts here's one for you - though it is very short of your usual length ... Alexander Hamilton to Congress, Report on Manufactures, 1791

    it is therefore of necessity left to the discretion of the National Legislature, to pronounce, upon the objects, which concern the general Welfare, and for which under that description, an appropriation of money is requisite and proper. And there seems to be no room for a doubt that whatever concerns the general Interests of learning of Agriculture of Manufactures and of Commerce are within the sphere of the national Councils as far as regards an application of Money.

    as stated before the general welfare is the 18 powers of congress.

    congress has the power to pronounce upon objects which concern general welfare, and appropriate money for it....18 powers

    are you taking the word "learning" in there and saying that means "education from government", and this gives them authority ?





    here you left this out, its the last para!

    "No objection ought to arise to this construction from a supposition [assumption] that it would imply a power to do whatever else should appear to Congress conducive to [promote/assist] the General Welfare. A power to appropriate money with this latitude [freedom] which is granted too in express terms would not carry a power to do any other thing, not authorized in the constitution, either expressly or by fair implication[implied]

    translation:

    no object ought to be taken from powers of taxation, to the assumption that it would imply a power to do whatever else should appear to Congress to promote the general welfare. a power to appropriate money with freedom which is granted to by the constitution would not carry a power to do any other thing, not authorized in the constitution, either expressly or implied.





    That of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the United States; and, as they would be the sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they please.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Your source showed no examples of this. Your source was a pack of lies that you have yet to defend and instead try and divert away from.
    examples ------>i asked you question-------->can people be made to do things against their will, if they have none nothing wrong????



    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Well, no. You bought into the conspiracy nonsense, much like here.
    can you please explain why the 13th amendment i sited was published in federal,state, and private books for over 65 years as part of the constitution?

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