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    26 56.52%
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Thread: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    really?... i have said anything of a sexual nature should be introduced in the school system, however i know you want something of a sexual nature introduced, and force used.
    Still trying desperately to divert from your failed source I see.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    only you would take that to mean royal....is it no wonder i have to explain things over and over.
    Since that's what I was talking about and you didn't refute it, yes, I did.


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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Still trying desperately to divert from your failed source I see.

    sorry redress, i dont let myself fall into your kind of act.

    the constitution is clear no one can be force to do something if no crime has been committed.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Since that's what I was talking about and you didn't refute it, yes, I did.


    Madison was not the loan signer of the Constitution not was everyone that signed it in agreement with his interpretation of it.
    well you didn't read very well did you now.

    i said he's king, when its comes to the constitution and its meaning, compared to any which can be put against him.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    read the federalist papers which explain the constitution.

    if you wish the links i will provide them for you, the only things which are not explained, are things which are self-evident, like ages of politicians, simple things which are very easy to understand.
    Read them and more. I know my limitations. I'm trying to get you to see yours.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Read them and more. I know my limitations. I'm trying to get you to see yours.
    really then how do you get pass Madison's words in federalist 42 on commerce....when he states its a state problem of commerce....... not a business or people problem, show me where the constitution places a limit of people or business.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    really then how do you get pass Madison's words in federalist 42 on commerce....when he states its a state problem of commerce....... not a business or people problem, show me where the constitution places a limit of people or business.
    Because it isn't the end of the discussion. More came after that.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Because it isn't the end of the discussion. More came after that.
    really so because the states were engaged in trade wars and barriers with each other this means the federal government was given power to regulate people and business?

    where are people and business in the constitution limited?

    so becuase Roscoe Filburn grew wheat to feed to his cattle this means the federal government should regulate all commerce...i think not!

    Essay 42

    Summary

    Madison defends two more classes of powers afforded to the general government: the regulation of intercourse with foreign nations and the regulation of intercourse among the states. Madison argues that the national government must be able to conduct diplomacy and act independently on the international stage just as all other nations do. It must be able to send and receive ambassadors, make binding treaties, and punish piracy.

    Madison also discusses the provision in the Constitution allowing for the importation of slaves until 1808, after which Congress may decide to ban importation. It is very clear that Madison strongly opposes slavery as an inhumane and barbaric practice. However, he argues that while it would have been better to abolish the trade immediately, it is nevertheless better to place some sort of time limit on the trade than to leave it completely unfettered forever.

    Madison goes into considerable detail in describing and defending the many specific powers granted to the general government to [B]manage relations between the states. Perhaps the most important is the authority of the national government to regulate interstate commerce. Madison argues that if the national government is not authorized to perform this role, tensions and “serious interruptions of the public tranquility” will result from states imposing various kinds of taxes and restrictions on goods coming from other states. <------trade bariers
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    really so because the states were engaged in trade wars and barriers with each other this means the federal government was given power to regulate people and business?

    where are people and business in the constitution limited?

    so becuase Roscoe Filburn grew wheat to feed to his cattle this means the federal government should regulate all commerce...i think not!
    Again, read history. We have 200 years of it. I've given you a lot of it, so you have places to start.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, read history. We have 200 years of it. I've given you a lot of it, so you have places to start.

    i have read you have not, ..your attempts of always saying something is something .........but producing no evidence is your usual MO.

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