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Thread: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    Wisconsin v. Yoder, 406 U.S. 205 (1972), is the case in which the United States Supreme Court found that Amish children could not be [COLOR="#FF0placed under compulsory education[/COLOR] past 8th grade. The parents' fundamental right to freedom of religion outweighed the state's interest in educating its children.
    That applies to all religions, first amendment.

    compulsory education......note the word "compulsory"
    I read thus the first thousand times you said it, there is no compulsory action mandating children attend public school. Your claim was false the first time you said it, that has not changed.
    Some kind of education is compulsory to all people in most countries, but different localities vary in how many years or grades of education they require. Due to population growth and the proliferation of compulsory education, UNESCO calculated in 2006 that over the subsequent 30 years more people would receive formal education than in all prior human history.[11] It is possible in many countries for parents to provide education for children by homeschooling, although this is often monitored for adherence to national standards.
    all countries aren't controlled by the rights we enjoy here. I can't effect other countries and theirviewson education. So I am not interested in what happens in other countries.

    United States about 6-17 Varies by state. Beginning age varies 5-8, ending age varies 15-18.[17] Some states allow early leave with parental approval.
    That had nothing to do what so ever with the option to opt out of public school. So thus didn't have anything to do with the conversation.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Is this thread whining about the theory of evolution or the diminishing lack of support for persecuting gays? I can't tell which.




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    I believe that it's split 50/50.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    nothing narrow about it.

    the founders state government has 18 powers only and they are enumerated clearly, anything outside them is unconstitutional.

    “Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated.” – Thomas Jefferson, 1798

    “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined . . . to be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce.” – James Madison, Federalist 45

    No legislative act … contrary to the Constitution can be valid. To deny this would be to affirm that the deputy is greater than his principal; that the servant is above his master; that the representatives of the people are superior to the people themselves; that men acting by virtue of powers may do not only what their powers do not authorize, but what they forbid.” – Alexander Hamilton, Federalist 78
    Again, I've linked differing opinions by people who actually know something. You can rant all day, but the reality has already proven you wrong.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie;1062124843[QUOTE
    ]I guess it's a good thing that I don't depend on majority opinion to form my views. :
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    I believe in letting the majority do what they want to do and then I just go right ahead and do whatever I want to do.

    Sometimes called: The shrubnose Principle.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry schooling is mandated.... its not optional.
    Of course it is, i never said it wasn't. It's just not mandated that everybody be educated by public school.
    now if you home school or private school , when you not mandated to go to public school....but one takes a parents time, and the other one's own money
    so? Spend the money or time for education you believe is better, or don't. If your child being in an education system that says gay is not okay, spend the time or money for that. But if you are upset that the school is teaching children that it's okay to be different and you don't like that and you don't do anything about it, that isn't force, that is lazy cheapness.

    Fact is nobody is forced to be in public school, lazy and cheap parents that demand the school support their biases, that is force. That doesn't fly.

    Public schools shouldn't entertain parents biases, if they want their kids to share their biases, either attend private schools, home school, or better yet take ten minuets to talk to your children and tell them that gay people are bad or that they are bad for being gay. Or whatever bias you want them to imprint. My parents did that with me.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Of course it is, i never said it wasn't. It's just not mandated that everybody be educated by public school.
    so? Spend the money or time for education you believe is better, or don't. If your child being in an education system that says gay is not okay, spend the time or money for that. But if you are upset that the school is teaching children that it's okay to be different and you don't like that and you don't do anything about it, that isn't force, that is lazy cheapness.

    Fact is nobody is forced to be in public school, lazy and cheap parents that demand the school support their biases, that is force. That doesn't fly.

    Public schools shouldn't entertain parents biases, if they want their kids to share their biases, either attend private schools, home school, or better yet take ten minuets to talk to your children and tell them that gay people are bad or that they are bad for being gay. Or whatever bias you want them to imprint. My parents did that with me.
    i know this i have stated it before...HOWEVER the state will NOT give parents their tax payer money for different schools.

    many parents cannot afford to send their children to a different school and pay for it, so they are mandated then to a public school, ..i say give the parents vouchers, and let them go elsewhere, however the public schools fights this idea.

    they are not having any bias, they are stating i dont want my child taught something...how is that a bias?

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, I've linked differing opinions by people who actually know something. You can rant all day, but the reality has already proven you wrong.
    sorry your people dont know a point of a pin head to Madison on the constitution.

    note to you----- Madison was laying the foundation of the constitution months before the constitutional convention ever took place.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the power of force is never acceptable thing in a true in a free society.
    Way to not defend your source, nor to refute anything I said or the facts and links I provided. Your source flat out lied, it distorted, it twisted, it failed to back up claims. You got busted using a nonsense source. Trying to change that into something else is doomed to fail.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Way to not defend your source, nor to refute anything I said or the facts and links I provided. Your source flat out lied, it distorted, it twisted, it failed to back up claims. You got busted using a nonsense source. Trying to change that into something else is doomed to fail.
    bull, its what i said all along, no one should be force to be taught something which goes against what they have already been taught.

    you on the other hand want to force your way of thinking on to other people, ..becuase you deem your valves to be right...and you dont have that authority

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    That is the rule which states that you will evolve, whether you like it or not.
    Well that works great for nature... not so much in religion.

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