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  • Freedom of Religion

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Thread: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    do you ever read the founders, and see what they created?

    one of the reasons Madison and Hamilton stated a bill of rights was not necessary...was becuase the new federal government was limited, and it had no power but the 18 in the constitution, and becuase they were limited, this prevented the federal government from violating the rights of the people, becuase no power of the Federal government have anything to do with an individual citizens ...except.......pirates counterfeiter and traitors.......and with the 16th......tax cheats.

    the federal government was given no role in the social life's of the american citiznen.
    Clearly I've more than you have. They have a saying in medicine: he knows just enough to be dangerous. You're a novice who doesn't know what you don't know.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    they can say all they want to, the constitution does not lie......education is not a delegated power of congress.

    if it were the congress would have controlled it before jimmy carter
    Same response as above.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    I got about 8 pages into this thread before it just started making me sad. I skipped to the end and it continued to do so. So, enjoy reactions to some of the earlier posts. ^_^

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I suspect that it means the method by which one is forced into not stating what one believes, without paying dire consequences for said action, so it isn't really evolution in the least, but coercion by those in power. If I threaten you with bodily harm or death for not believing what I believe is right, will you really evolve, or will you just keep your mouth shut?
    You mean like what Christians and Muslims have been doing to everyone else for thousands of years? Yeah, it's pretty uncool. I'm glad they're not allowed to do that anymore. Good thing all the atheists tend to do is make fun of people over their beliefs. And we don't let them pass laws over us that force us to conform to their religious mores. But that's okay, because the pretty cool guys who wrote the constitution made sure that they couldn't do that more than two centuries ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    You already have chosen; so has the SC, and many other Americans. Now I've shifted my focus to Ikari's mandate to "evolve, or die". Should religions have the freedom to deny SSM within their own congregations, or should they allow it? The consequences are already in place, right? Or is Ikari just blowing out noxious fumes?
    No, they can't deny anything. They can dislike it all they want, and they can say they don't want any part of it. But they cannot deny anyone's legal rights to marriage. And the more they try, the more they are doing the die part of the "evolve or die" mandate because the rest of society will look upon them as the backwards fools that they are proving themselves to be. There are consequences to speech. It's free legally, but people are still going to dislike and disrespect you if you say awful things.
    Liberté. Égalité. Fraternité.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Same response as above.
    when i am right i am not going to change what i have to say.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    this is only your point of view, its not shared by other people.
    that is all you are stating.
    as stated before... parents are not given their tax money , and are mandated to send their children to public schools, where they have been told they will comply.
    Parents aren't the only ones that pay taxes. I didn't have kids in school I still had to pay taxes, I don't get that back either.

    They are NOT mandated to keep their children in public schools. You can enroll them in private school. They jabber been told no such thing
    as a libertarian, ....you have to know the power of force is never acceptable.
    There is no force. You don't have to keep your kids in public school, you can home school and you can go to private school. I don't know why you keep ignoring that. You claimed that the state mandates all children attend public school, it DOES NOT!!! That is a complete lie there are private schools and home school options.

    Librarian doesn't mean you ignore the options and pretend that the easiest one is the only one. Sorry, I know you are incorrect Wisconsin v Yoder established that the people of the United states have the right to homeschool in all 50 states. So the claim that there is force is absolutely false. Anybody can homeschool their kids, that is a first amendment protected right.

    Of course they have to pay taxes people without kids have to pay taxes.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Clearly I've more than you have. They have a saying in medicine: he knows just enough to be dangerous. You're a novice who doesn't know what you don't know.

    you wish to listen to men, who wish to use the constitution for there own vises.

    i choose to listen to a man who laid its foundation.......who stated clearly the government is not supposed to be in education. and i posted his statement already showing you that he said it.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    that is all you are stating.
    Parents aren't the only ones that pay taxes. I didn't have kids in school I still had to pay taxes, I don't get that back either.

    They are NOT mandated to keep their children in public schools. You can enroll them in private school. They jabber been told no such thing


    There is no force. You don't have to keep your kids in public school, you can home school and you can go to private school. I don't know why you keep ignoring that. You claimed that the state mandates all children attend public school, it DOES NOT!!! That is a complete lie there are private schools and home school options.

    Librarian doesn't mean you ignore the options and pretend that the easiest one is the only one. Sorry, I know you are incorrect Wisconsin v Yoder established that the people of the United states have the right to homeschool in all 50 states. So the claim that there is force is absolutely false. Anybody can homeschool their kids, that is a first amendment protected right.

    Of course they have to pay taxes people without kids have to pay taxes.
    sorry there is force, when you mandate people must go to something, and then tell them, this is the way its going to be whether you like it or not...thats force.

    give the parents their tax money and let them seek other schooling...........but the education system is against it.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    its very simple .....in order for congress to act, it must be given authority in it powers, education is not a (listed) delegated power.

    during the constitutional convention, a proposal was made for the federal government to be involved in education...it was rejected.

    the founders are very clear, congress powers are few and defined...........what is the meaning of "few" and "defined"

    constitutional law is the highest in the land no federal law, can override constitutional law.
    And the United states supreme court agrees that it does not have that power.

    Wisconsin v. Yoder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    You don't have to attend public school. And besides nobody has suggested that the federal government is involved in education. The tenth amendment made that a state right.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry there is force, when you mandate people must go to something, and then tell them, this is the way its going to be whether you like it or not...thats force.
    there is no such mandate

    Wisconsin v. Yoder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    give the parents their tax money and let them seek other schooling...........but the education system is against it.
    why do people that have kids get their tax money back? I didn't have kids in school for 18 years I was paying taxes why did I have to pay for it? Everybody pays taxes no matter what. If your kids are adults and not in the school system you pay taxes to your local school district, if your kids live in another state you pay taxes to your local school district if you don't have kids you pay taxes to your local school district.

    No, refund my taxes first, I didn't even have any kids yet I pay for them. No pay your taxes like everybody else. If you are too good for public school opt out, you can opt out.

    There is no force, unless you mean the duty to pay taxes.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    when i am right i am not going to change what i have to say.
    It is arrogant to believe you're right when you're but a novice.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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