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Thread: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    So you're opposed to literature then.
    I don't think you understand how literature works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    I don't think you understand how literature works.
    Do explain. How does literature work?

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Do explain. How does literature work?
    The story might be fiction the but the purpose and meaning behind them are not. Well unless they are written by complete idiots or read by complete idiots ex. the Twilight series for both. Too bad most people are stupid. When you do not read literature properly it is just a made up fairy tale but if you understand the meaning it is not. I like the example of A Clockwork Orange some people see it as a highly disturbing book that needs to be banned and it is if you are ****en stupid but if you understand it's commentary on society it is not fiction but rather truth.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    You want them to learn without thinking? Tall order.



    So you're opposed to literature then.



    I think what's idiotic is to proclaim that children shall learn scientific principles exclusively (without thinking). As though all fiction should be banned by the state.

    There's a reason science and math are not the only subjects in school. Besides, we all know that even science and stats can be misconstrued. Kids need to be able to think critically, not just have scientific fact downloaded to their brains (as though that's even possible).
    Science class is not the place for fairy tales if you cannot understand that concept you need to go back to school yourself.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    The story might be fiction the but the purpose and meaning behind them are not. Well unless they are written by complete idiots or read by complete idiots ex. the Twilight series for both. Too bad most people are stupid. When you do not read literature properly it is just a made up fairy tale but if you understand the meaning it is not. I like the example of A Clockwork Orange some people see it as a highly disturbing book that needs to be banned and it is if you are ****en stupid but if you understand it's commentary on society it is not fiction but rather truth.
    Are you alluding to the fact that literature is subjective?

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    Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    The story might be fiction the but the purpose and meaning behind them are not. Well unless they are written by complete idiots or read by complete idiots ex. the Twilight series for both. Too bad most people are stupid. When you do not read literature properly it is just a made up fairy tale but if you understand the meaning it is not. I like the example of A Clockwork Orange some people see it as a highly disturbing book that needs to be banned and it is if you are ****en stupid but if you understand it's commentary on society it is not fiction but rather truth.
    There's nothing about that I don't understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Science class is not the place for fairy tales if you cannot understand that concept you need to go back to school yourself.
    If your comments about kids only learning science and nothing fictional was limited to science classrooms, you should have clarified. Here's how that would have looked: "I was talking specifically about science class, not speaking generally."

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Science class is not the place for fairy tales if you cannot understand that concept you need to go back to school yourself.
    And you are the ultimate authority on what is and is not a fairy tale?

    You may believe the Bible to be a fairy tale, but it does in fact contain a lot of actual history. More truth in that book than what atheist choose to call "fiction", get over it.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    Are you alluding to the fact that literature is subjective?
    My point here is you have to teach and make kids think for themselves but they can't unless you give them the facts to draw their own conclusions sadly most children do not learn that.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    My point here is you have to teach and make kids think for themselves but they can't unless you give them the facts to draw their own conclusions sadly most children do not learn that.
    Admittedly, I'm confused with your statement.
    If a teacher assigns a book, let's say To Kill A Mockingbird, and the pupils read the book, do you think most would draw their own conclusion?
    Should the teacher interject his/her own knowledge about the subject?

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    And you are the ultimate authority on what is and is not a fairy tale?

    You may believe the Bible to be a fairy tale, but it does in fact contain a lot of actual history. More truth in that book than what atheist choose to call "fiction", get over it.
    Does that make historical fiction novels true too?
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