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  • Freedom of Religion

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Thread: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    I am for real. Are you?

    You want school to teach morals? Trying to go the civilian religion route of Robespierre? Believe me, that ends in grief.

    As for positive role models, I certainly wouldn't consider a teacher who decided to do my thinking for me and to force his or her morals on me as a role model.
    Is teaching students that cheating is wrong and why it is wrong 'forcing morals on you or yours?
    (Of course they should know this already, but as it applies to a classroom setting should still be discussed in class and thereby constitute a lesson in morals)

    My point is that, as usual, it's not so easy to generalize and say 'no morals should be taught in school'.

    Of course nobody wants the more nuanced morals taught as if there is a right or wrong (ex. abortion,gun rights,etc.etc) but SOME morals are appropriately discussed (and again, this constitutes a lesson) in a classroom setting.

    Parents have the home and their places of worship to discuss other moral matters in a more deep and nuanced manner.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Is this a joke? It would put them at a disadvantage to intentionally block their ability to learn about things that are not scientific. It will be harder for them to understand other people and other cultures if they have no concept of non-scientific things.

    Do you not trust other people to think for themselves, such that you want to decide what they are allowed to learn and how they are supposed to think?

    Man some of you on the left don't even try to make your oppressive ideology appear more tolerable. You're practically shining a light on your own underlying totalitarian desires.
    Pray tell. WHY does your deity require notice in a high school science class?
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Pray tell. WHY does your deity require notice in a high school science class?
    I have no idea what you're talking about or how it relates to my comments.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Is this a joke? It would put them at a disadvantage to intentionally block their ability to learn about things that are not scientific. It will be harder for them to understand other people and other cultures if they have no concept of non-scientific things.

    Do you not trust other people to think for themselves, such that you want to decide what they are allowed to learn and how they are supposed to think?

    Man some of you on the left don't even try to make your oppressive ideology appear more tolerable. You're practically shining a light on your own underlying totalitarian desires.
    That's like saying you should discuss French in Math class.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Sadly there is no scientific evidence of God and science would be a sham if they even mentioned God. Leave the fairytales for bedtime stories, and let our children learn only what science has learned. Otherwise you are putting them at a terrible disadvantage in a competitive world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Is this a joke? It would put them at a disadvantage to intentionally block their ability to learn about things that are not scientific. It will be harder for them to understand other people and other cultures if they have no concept of non-scientific things.

    Do you not trust other people to think for themselves, such that you want to decide what they are allowed to learn and how they are supposed to think?

    Man some of you on the left don't even try to make your oppressive ideology appear more tolerable. You're practically shining a light on your own underlying totalitarian desires.

    Originally Posted by Somerville
    Pray tell. WHY does your deity require notice in a high school science class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I have no idea what you're talking about or how it relates to my comments.
    I leave it to the commentariat to make a judgment
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Is this a joke? It would put them at a disadvantage to intentionally block their ability to learn about things that are not scientific. It will be harder for them to understand other people and other cultures if they have no concept of non-scientific things.

    Do you not trust other people to think for themselves, such that you want to decide what they are allowed to learn and how they are supposed to think?

    Man some of you on the left don't even try to make your oppressive ideology appear more tolerable. You're practically shining a light on your own underlying totalitarian desires.
    Children are not in school to think for themselves, they are there to learn. I want children to learn science in school and save the fairy tales for home. What are you afraid of? That they will learn to think their parents are idiots for believing in fairytales? That is not as bad as you think.

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    Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Children are not in school to think for themselves, they are there to learn.
    You want them to learn without thinking? Tall order.

    I want children to learn science in school and save the fairy tales for home.
    So you're opposed to literature then.

    What are you afraid of? That they will learn to think their parents are idiots for believing in fairytales? That is not as bad as you think.
    I think what's idiotic is to proclaim that children shall learn scientific principles exclusively (without thinking). As though all fiction should be banned by the state.

    There's a reason science and math are not the only subjects in school. Besides, we all know that even science and stats can be misconstrued. Kids need to be able to think critically, not just have scientific fact downloaded to their brains (as though that's even possible).
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    No, it does not make sense and it does show a basic ignorance of science
    How so?

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Children are not in school to think for themselves, they are there to learn. I want children to learn science in school and save the fairy tales for home. What are you afraid of? That they will learn to think their parents are idiots for believing in fairytales? That is not as bad as you think.
    Who thinks for them? Is the teacher teaching a meme concept?

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by AuntiE View Post
    You are correct; however, in the past several years, I have had to be involved with several elders. It is has not be made very public, but there is a significant rise occurring. Elder residences are actually talking with the children of elders about this issue in attempt to stem the tide. It is quite embarrassing to have to converse with an elder concerning such matters!
    I can imagine. A lot of them are probably from a generation before there was widespread condom use.

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