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  • Freedom of Religion

    26 56.52%
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    10 21.74%
  • Both are equally crucial

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Thread: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    Good grief, are you for real?
    Schools provide problem solving processes for helping to make choices. thinking in a way that is clear and straight, not distorted; seeing many possibilities in a situation—shades of gray instead of black and white; the ability to reflect on our experience and to learn from it; and the ability to use a framework to make decisions when we genuinely don't know what to do in a hard case.
    I would ask if you ever had a teacher who served as a positive role model, but I'm sure you simply looked in the mirror.
    I am for real. Are you?

    You want school to teach morals? Trying to go the civilian religion route of Robespierre? Believe me, that ends in grief.

    As for positive role models, I certainly wouldn't consider a teacher who decided to do my thinking for me and to force his or her morals on me as a role model. You on the other hand seem to have a greater need for strong and dominant authority figures. Your problem, not mine.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    I am for real. Are you?

    You want school to teach morals? Trying to go the civilian religion route of Robespierre? Believe me, that ends in grief.

    As for positive role models, I certainly wouldn't consider a teacher who decided to do my thinking for me and to force his or her morals on me as a role model. You on the other hand seem to have a greater need for strong and dominant authority figures. Your problem, not mine.

    Of course schools teach morality; i.e, if a child pushes another child down in the classroom, and an intelligent, caring teacher would explain the consequences.
    When in college, did you listen to your professors? Did they help in forming your opinions?
    Honestly, I think you are a troll.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    Of course schools teach morality; i.e, if a child pushes another child down in the classroom, and an intelligent, caring teacher would explain the consequences.
    When in college, did you listen to your professors? Did they help in forming your opinions?
    Honestly, I think you are a troll.
    Honestly, I think you don't think before you express yourself. You also seem to have trouble with reading. I have clearly and repeatedly indicated that teachers should of course maintain discipline in the classroom and prevent children from assaulting or bullying each other. That has nothing to do with what you propose; that teachers should foist a specific set of morals on their pupils and teach them what is morally right or wrong.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    Honestly, I think you don't think before you express yourself. You also seem to have trouble with reading. I have clearly and repeatedly indicated that teachers should of course maintain discipline in the classroom and prevent children from assaulting or bullying each other. That has nothing to do with what you propose; that teachers should foist a specific set of morals on their pupils and teach them what is morally right or wrong.
    You certainly are a fan of exaggerated hyperbole, aren't you.
    I never proposed that teachers should impose their set of morals on their pupils. However, if you really do possess a PhD, surely even you can comprehend that a teacher's classroom actions have an ability to leave an indelible impression on young children.
    If you believe teachers should prevent children from assaulting one another, wouldn't it follow that a caring, compassionate teacher would explain the ramifications and hopefully the children would learn a moral lesson?

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by AuntiE View Post
    Could you provide documentation that "religious" are against teaching about "physically and verbally abusing their classmates"? Your contention is only "religious" kids commit acts of bullying?
    Nope. That is why I put the quote marks around the word "religious". A rather common, although mostly amongst those less than 40, to indicate an ironical take on the word or phrase with the single quote marks - also called "scare quotes". In this instance it should be read as stating, "Some of those Americans who call themselves religious" - see? Much easier to use the scare quotes but as I type, I realise that the majority of posters here are not under the age of 40
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by AuntiE View Post
    Are you unaware of the fact every school has standards of behavior which are given out at the beginning of every school year to both students and parents? Are you unaware that "home room teachers" go over these rules with students? Are you unaware that the teachers go over these rules with parents and both parents and students are required to sign a copy of the rules for entry into the student's file?
    We've gone over this already. You should read earlier posts before commenting.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    The freedom of religion has prevented countless millions from being murdered and persecuted under the laws of the most powerful organizations of men. It is so important that it is a guaranteed right in our Constitution, while the "mandate to evolve" has put forth actions that have taken place in such wonderful locations as Darfur, Rwanda, Germany, the USSR, and Bosnia.

    There is only one reply to such nonsense.



    WRONG!!!!!!!
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by AuntiE View Post
    Did you attend "Back to School Night"? Not a single year did I not receive a copy of such standards. Further I had to sign a copy as well as my progeny.

    A fine example of "anecdotal confirmation".
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    I do not consider science itself a threat to religion. I do, however, consider atheists presenting science a threat to religion. Does that make sense?

    No, it does not make sense and it does show a basic ignorance of science
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Sadly there is no scientific evidence of God and science would be a sham if they even mentioned God. Leave the fairytales for bedtime stories, and let our children learn only what science has learned. Otherwise you are putting them at a terrible disadvantage in a competitive world.
    Is this a joke? It would put them at a disadvantage to intentionally block their ability to learn about things that are not scientific. It will be harder for them to understand other people and other cultures if they have no concept of non-scientific things.

    Do you not trust other people to think for themselves, such that you want to decide what they are allowed to learn and how they are supposed to think?

    Man some of you on the left don't even try to make your oppressive ideology appear more tolerable. You're practically shining a light on your own underlying totalitarian desires.
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