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  • Both are equally crucial

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Thread: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I've never used the words "right" or "wrong" in that sense. You're trying to make a case where there is none. All I've talked about is tolerance.
    It's part of the same Owrellian package of rhetorec where the rejection of intolerance is intolerant, trying to limit other people's freedom is a sign of a freedom fighter and where teaching in a neutral fashion is biased.

    People who adopt the attitude that homosexuality is sinful equate anything that does not reinforce the intolerance with promoting homosexuality.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    so government can take my money, and teach my religion sucks?
    Can government teach evolution?
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    It's part of the same Owrellian package of rhetorec where the rejection of intolerance is intolerant, trying to limit other people's freedom is a sign of a freedom fighter and where teaching in a neutral fashion is biased.

    People who adopt the attitude that homosexuality is sinful equate anything that does not reinforce the intolerance with promoting homosexuality.
    It certainly seems that way in this thread. I can't believe there are so many people who have no clue what tolerance means.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It doesn't have to specify "gays." There are also children with disabilities who are picked on, children of different ethnic groups who are picked on, nerds, etc. Any type of abuse, verbal or otherwise, shouldn't be tolerated against any student regardless of the reason.
    Yes, especially nerds.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    It certainly seems that way in this thread. I can't believe there are so many people who have no clue what tolerance means.
    The notion that tolerance involves tolerating that which does not cause harm seems lost on many people. When they try to use the term to indicate actions intended to prevent harm, they pervert the meaning beyond recognition.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    But they are not like "everyone" else. Pretty much no one is ever "like everyone else". We are individuals, each and every one of us. Funny how so many liberals want to "protect" homosexuals, but yet they fully support intolerance of others who don't accept their world view.
    Actually they are just like every one else, except for one thing that has no effect on any one not in a relationship with them.

    I want people judged on their actions, not who or what they are, and that only extends to how people act towards others in certain situations. You are free to hate on gays all you want. I cannot stop you from exercising that right, but we can stop you from using that hate to infringe on the rights of gays. Students do not have a right to bully for example, but they do have a right in school to not be bullied.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    so government can take my money, and teach my religion sucks?
    No...

    And since I have answered your question, how about answering the one I keep asking that you run from.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If you teach your child that evolution is wrong based on your religion, should schools not teach evolution?
    If schools understand that evolution cannot explain away God, and they present the subject in this light, then I have no problem with my kid sitting in their classrooms.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Why do they need to teach about anything in that area beyond a mere defintion? Once you start adding value judgements about good, bad, okay, allowable.....you're going into belief systems. People complain about religion in schools, yet at the same time want to teach "it's okay to be gay", are guilty of the same thing. All they've done is take the word God out of it, and taught a belief system. You can't have it both ways. So either you teach religion and homosexuallity is good/okay, or you say nothing at all.
    Not all religious people find homosexuality as offensive as some people on this thread seem to feel.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    But they are not like "everyone" else. Pretty much no one is ever "like everyone else". We are individuals, each and every one of us. Funny how so many liberals want to "protect" homosexuals, but yet they fully support intolerance of others who don't accept their world view.

    Yep, intolerant bullies and abusers should not be tolerated
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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