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Thread: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    The obvious answer would be that when children bring their "morality" to school in such a way that they persecute other children then the school has no other choice but to try to protect these children from the "morality" misguided parents have taught their children. To be TRULY neutral, the school needs to treat the issue of sexual orientation as neutral, normal and not the sort of thing that should not lead to being hurt by others.
    Yes, so the school should not take any position on what forms of sexuality are "good" or "bas". It should restricts itself to teaching the skills the children need and regulating their behavior whil they are at school. That would be a huge success by today's standards.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It doesn't have to specify "gays." There are also children with disabilities who are picked on, children of different ethnic groups who are picked on, nerds, etc. Any type of abuse, verbal or otherwise, shouldn't be tolerated against any student regardless of the reason.
    Dare I point out that you just specified children with disabilities, ethnic children and nerds?

    Were you somehow under the impression that sexual orientation is the ONLY issue schools are dealing with?
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Exactly, that is what the student-parent handbooks specifically cover. I also acknowledged that the first day of school can be spent going over rules. There should be nothing more than that. After that, if a child misbehaves, they are punished for it. Simple.
    My daughter never had one of those student-parent handbooks where the parent had to sign and return or any other such nonsense. I expected the school to do just what businesses do, educate their people so they know what is and is not acceptable behavior. At work in the mid-90's we all had a classes on tolerance and that class was repeated every so often for new employees. That's what I expect children to learn at school, too.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Dare I point out that you just specified children with disabilities, ethnic children and nerds?

    Were you somehow under the impression that sexual orientation is the ONLY issue schools are dealing with?
    Obviously my post went right over your head.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Telling kids they have to treat gays like every one else is not a special status.
    But they are not like "everyone" else. Pretty much no one is ever "like everyone else". We are individuals, each and every one of us. Funny how so many liberals want to "protect" homosexuals, but yet they fully support intolerance of others who don't accept their world view.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    My daughter never had one of those student-parent handbooks where the parent had to sign and return or any other such nonsense. I expected the school to do just what businesses do, educate their people so they know what is and is not acceptable behavior. At work in the mid-90's we all had a classes on tolerance and that class was repeated every so often for new employees. That's what I expect children to learn at school, too.
    Well, my son did, every year I have to sign and return a paper stating that he and I have gone over and agree to the rules and regulations and also the code of discipline that the school employs. Those things are reinforced with punishment for bad behavior.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    Are you advocating that pupils should be made to behave civilly in school? I'm all for it. That has nothing to do with teaching them about what forms of sexuality are "right" or "wrong".
    I've never used the words "right" or "wrong" in that sense. You're trying to make a case where there is none. All I've talked about is tolerance.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Your religion is irrelevant to what schools teach. The job of schools is to teach facts.
    so government can take my money, and teach my religion sucks?

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Why do they need to teach about anything in that area beyond a mere defintion? Once you start adding value judgements about good, bad, okay, allowable.....you're going into belief systems. People complain about religion in schools, yet at the same time want to teach "it's okay to be gay", are guilty of the same thing. All they've done is take the word God out of it, and taught a belief system. You can't have it both ways. So either you teach religion and homosexuallity is good/okay, or you say nothing at all.
    I didn't add value judgements, someone else did that. What do you think "good" means? What do you think "wrong" means. I quoted those words, they didn't originate with me - and if you'll look at my responses I did not advocate teaching right or wring, I advocated tolerance. Are you also lacking in the vocabulary to understand what that idea means as others in this thread seem to be lacking?
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    so government can take my money, and teach my religion sucks?
    Somehow, I doubt that would fall under "facts".

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