View Poll Results: Which is more crucial

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  • Freedom of Religion

    26 56.52%
  • Mandate to Evolve

    10 21.74%
  • Both are equally crucial

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Thread: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    Why "particularly" this one group? Why are you so obsessed with homosexuality?
    Because of the high suicide rate for LGBT teens there has been a lot of focus on them. This does not mean that other groups aren't also discriminated against and harassed by fellow students.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Remain neutral? In relation to what? How to treat other people, including your classmates? Even most places of employment have rules about tolerance that everyone has to follow - and most spend at least a little time explaining those rules to new employees. I see no reason schools should be any different
    Are you advocating that pupils should be made to behave civilly in school? I'm all for it. That has nothing to do with teaching them about what forms of sexuality are "right" or "wrong".

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Telling kids they have to treat gays like every one else is not a special status.
    Why only gays?

    Children have to treat every one of their colleagues civilly. That's all.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Maybe because that is the topic of this thread?
    It is? Whether freedom or religion or "mandate to evolve", seems the homosexuals loose either way, assuming of course you believe that anyone who is religious is anti-homosexuals also (which seems to be a common thought here).

    I would have to say that homosexuality is definitely not the topic of the thread.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Telling kids they have to treat gays like every one else is not a special status.
    It doesn't have to specify "gays." There are also children with disabilities who are picked on, children of different ethnic groups who are picked on, nerds, etc. Any type of abuse, verbal or otherwise, shouldn't be tolerated against any student regardless of the reason.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Which is more crucial?
    I am not getting this.

    Are you suggesting that people who believe in certain religions are really eukaryotes?
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Because of the high suicide rate for LGBT teens there has been a lot of focus on them. This does not mean that other groups aren't also discriminated against and harassed by fellow students.
    I'm all in favor of zero tolerance towards any form of harassment.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    Why do you start another topic? You really must be obsessed with this.

    What I supprt I have indicated reeatedly and clearly in this thread: That schools should teach cildren reading, writing, mathematics, science, history, geography, etc. - i.e. the skills they need - and that the teaching of morality is something that should be left to parents, family, friends, etc.
    The obvious answer would be that when children bring their "morality" to school in such a way that they persecute other children then the school has no other choice but to try to protect these children from the "morality" misguided parents have taught their children. To be TRULY neutral, the school needs to treat the issue of sexual orientation as neutral, normal and not the sort of thing that should not lead to being hurt by others.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    "Good"? Not any more so than any other relationship between consenting adults. "Nothing wrong with them"? Yes, there is nothing wrong with them. Schools should and usually do teach tolerance and respect for others regardless of their beliefs.
    Why do they need to teach about anything in that area beyond a mere defintion? Once you start adding value judgements about good, bad, okay, allowable.....you're going into belief systems. People complain about religion in schools, yet at the same time want to teach "it's okay to be gay", are guilty of the same thing. All they've done is take the word God out of it, and taught a belief system. You can't have it both ways. So either you teach religion and homosexuallity is good/okay, or you say nothing at all.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Because of the high suicide rate for LGBT teens there has been a lot of focus on them. This does not mean that other groups aren't also discriminated against and harassed by fellow students.
    If they are committing suicide, then I would have to say that someone did a very poor job when selecting the word "Gay" to be used for homosexuality.
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