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Thread: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    I cannot understand why the 'religious' are so against teaching kids that physically and verbally abusing their classmates is not acceptable. For those who are, or claim to be, Christian, it does seem that far too many fail to understand a central precept of their particular faith.
    Who exactly has been talking about physically and verbally abusing classmates?

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Punishment is teaching. It is called negative reinforcement.
    But no one is suggesting not to punish a child for unruly or abusive behaviors in school. I'm saying that there shouldn't be a segment of the school day devoted to teaching how wrong it is. That is not the purpose of school. The schools just don't have the time to focus on social issues.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Don't know--California has far more households in poverty than any poor religious state and they have outlawed God.


    Nice joke. CALIFORNIA HAS OUTLAWED GOD! WOW! When did that happen?

    California has far more people than any other state and therefore may have more people living in poverty, however a better comparison is the percent of a state's population living in poverty.

    The 10 poorest states

    Mississippi Louisiana New Mexico Alabama Texas Arkansas Oklahoma West Virginia Arizona South Carolina

    What do they have in common? A high percentage of population holding religious beliefs and control by one political party
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    But no one is suggesting not to punish a child for unruly or abusive behaviors in school. I'm saying that there shouldn't be a segment of the school day devoted to teaching how wrong it is. That is not the purpose of school. The schools just don't have the time to focus on social issues.
    There is over 1000 hours in the average school year. Suggesting a few minutes to a couple hours cannot be spared is pretty silly, especially considering some of the things time is spent on(art, music, gym and various fun activities for example).
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There is over 1000 hours in the average school year. Suggesting a few minutes to a couple hours cannot be spared is pretty silly, especially considering some of the things time is spent on(art, music, gym and various fun activities for example).
    Our country is behind academically, no we don't have the time in a school day when we are failing our students so miserably.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    I cannot understand why the 'religious' are so against teaching kids that physically and verbally abusing their classmates is not acceptable. For those who are, or claim to be, Christian, it does seem that far too many fail to understand a central precept of their particular faith.
    Exactly!
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What do you mean by "teaching them?" I would think that punishment for such things would be teaching them that it's unacceptable behavior. That is not the purpose of school. That is the role of parents.
    "Teaching" tolerance means instructing students as to acceptable behaviour. One could see your response as "Wait until something bad happens and then punish the perpetrator(s)." That is a bit of locking the stables after the horses have run away. It is far better to explain acceptable behaviour before bad things happen. If a student's beliefs cause them to reject friendship with another student who is seen as 'unclean' - fine, but those beliefs should not be allowed to cause physical or emotional harm to the other student. Tolerance should be seen as accepting the existence of others, particularly LGBT, nothing more.

    Those of one group don't have to like those others but they at the same time cannot be allowed to harm the others. Sometimes this must be taught to students, particularly when they are hearing bigotry and prejudice at home
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Exactly!
    Really? Where exactly was anybody advocating that?

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    It's clear from your reactions when confronted with some logic that to you tolerance extends to those things that you personally find tolerable.
    Tolerance extends to other people, not concepts of morality. Your ignorance of tolerance is still showing.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    "Teaching" tolerance means instructing students as to acceptable behaviour. One could see your response as "Wait until something bad happens and then punish the perpetrator(s)." That is a bit of locking the stables after the horses have run away. It is far better to explain acceptable behaviour before bad things happen. If a student's beliefs cause them to reject friendship with another student who is seen as 'unclean' - fine, but those beliefs should not be allowed to cause physical or emotional harm to the other student. Tolerance should be seen as accepting the existence of others, particularly LGBT, nothing more.

    Those of one group don't have to like those others but they at the same time cannot be allowed to harm the others. Sometimes this must be taught to students, particularly when they are hearing bigotry and prejudice at home
    Why "particularly" this one group? Why are you so obsessed with homosexuality?

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