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Thread: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There is a large, unsubtle difference between teaching anti-whatever(that is against something) and teaching that something exists.
    really? why do you think schools can teach things which my child has been taught is wrong.

    you may believe gay sex is fine, and that's your right, however others don't agree with you, and should they be forced to be taught your prospective.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    What exactly does that mean? Domestic violence exists. Should schools teach that?
    Absolutely schools should teach that domestic violence exists and what to do if the student encounters it.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    really? why do you think schools can teach things which my child has been taught is wrong.

    you may believe gay sex is fine, and that's your right, however others don't agree with you, and should they be forced to be taught your prospective.
    Your religion is irrelevant to what schools teach. The job of schools is to teach facts.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Your religion is irrelevant to what schools teach. The job of schools is to teach facts.

    I couldn't agree more (at least where it concerns state schools). So they shouldn't be teaching about what is morally acceptable and what not or any other aspect of morality.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    I couldn't agree more (at least where it concerns state schools). So they shouldn't be teaching about what is morally acceptable and what not or any other aspect of morality.
    It is not quite that simple. For example, teaching that slavery or naziism is wrong is pretty safe. Note that I have not suggested schools should teach that homosexuality is morally OK. It is however just fine to teach that it exists.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Based upon the copious number of recent posts representing a very knuckle-dragging, unintelligent, and superstitious interpretation of Christianity, I would say it is rather obvious that people have freedom of religion. Based upon the responses, I would say a good many people have evolved beyond that very limited understanding of the world around them. As such, there is no mutually exclusive dichotomy here.

    The world has always been filled with unenlightened individuals with little understanding of the world about them and who are filled with such fear of anything different that they latch on to fundamentalist dogma that limits this world in such a way as to simplify it down to their level of understanding. Fundies are like the children who find comfort from rigid systems with cut and dried rules for behavior that are never questioned and who are fearful of anything ambiguous or changing. Heck -- we are fighting a war of ideas against exactly such unenlightened people who wish their particular religion to have a stranglehold on all human civilization. The world will always be filled with such people, so it really isn't a matter of their evolving or dying, but the way others who are not so unenlightened deal with them.


    If there is any "evolve or die" involved, it works the other way. If people of reason do not evolve a strategy to deal with the Neanderthals, it will be the latter who win out.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    really .....so your going to have the school teach things to my child things which I object to on a religious level.

    so if the schools were to teach homosexuality is wrong, and use tax money to do it your ok with that to?

    One might ask, Why do the most religious states have the highest teen birth rates? Why do the bible belt states have the highest divorce rates? Why are the poorest states to be found among the most religious states?
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If you teach your child that evolution is wrong based on your religion, should schools not teach evolution?
    Hey Ernst, I have asked this question a couple different ways here and you keep running from it. How about answering the question.
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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It is not quite that simple. For example, teaching that slavery or naziism is wrong is pretty safe. Note that I have not suggested schools should teach that homosexuality is morally OK. It is however just fine to teach that it exists.
    I am by no means an adherent of Nazism, but why should schools teach children that Nazism is "wrong"? They should teach them the historical facts. They can draw their own conclusions. If one were to follow yor logic, they would also have to teach that Communism is wrong and a whole host of other things too. Let schools teach the facts, not what is wrong or right.

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    Re: Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Based upon the copious number of recent posts representing a very knuckle-dragging, unintelligent, and superstitious interpretation of Christianity, I would say it is rather obvious that people have freedom of religion. Based upon the responses, I would say a good many people have evolved beyond that very limited understanding of the world around them. As such, there is no mutually exclusive dichotomy here.

    The world has always been filled with unenlightened individuals with little understanding of the world about them and who are filled with such fear of anything different that they latch on to fundamentalist dogma that limits this world in such a way as to simplify it down to their level of understanding. Fundies are like the children who find comfort from rigid systems with cut and dried rules for behavior that are never questioned and who are fearful of anything ambiguous or changing. Heck -- we are fighting a war of ideas against exactly such unenlightened people who wish their particular religion to have a stranglehold on all human civilization. The world will always be filled with such people, so it really isn't a matter of their evolving or dying, but the way others who are not so unenlightened deal with them.


    If there is any "evolve or die" involved, it works the other way. If people of reason do not evolve a strategy to deal with the Neanderthals, it will be the latter who win out.
    I don't know you personally and therefore cannot judge you (not really interested in that anyway), but on the whole it's a pretty safe bet to say that people who describe themselves as "enlightened" and others as "unenlightened" tend to be among the most narrow-minded and intolerant people around.

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