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Thread: Hilary vs Huntsman 2016

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    Re: Hilary vs Huntsman 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Neither.
    This exactly. If it's either of them I'm voting my party.........Libertarian.
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    Re: Hilary vs Huntsman 2016

    Bush was an anti-abortionist and abortion rights survived 8 years of him and will continue to survive while we entertain ourselves with protracted legal battles that keep those poor lawyers off food tamps.

    Huntsman seems to me to be an intellectual, rather than a politician. I think he may be capable of wisdom, something I haven't seen in a long time. Of course, intellect is not respected much in America, where we pride ourselves on being fat, dumb and happy.

    Since this is all fantasy, I'll be a Hunstman supporter for at least a few weeks.

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    Re: Hilary vs Huntsman 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Nobody's going to do anything with abortion, either.
    Would Hilary make any concerted effort towards the pro-choice cause? No, you're right.

    But she won't sign anything draconian that hits her desk, if for absolutely no other reason than the fact that she'd never get a second term if she did. Too much of her base is women. But she does have a solid pro-choice record.

    She's also not unlikely to nominate a pro-choice judge.

    Huntsman, on the other hand, would sign anything and everything against choice that he could get his hands on, and he'd make a concerted effort to nominate an anti-Roe judge.

    So would she do anything? Not really. But there are things she wouldn't do. And that's the best anyone can hope for with our current grab-bag of useless idiots in the Capitol.

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    Re: Hilary vs Huntsman 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by laska View Post
    Who would you vote for?
    Absolutely would vote for Huntsman, but I think he'd have harder time winning the General election in 2016 then he would've in 2016. He's a tailor made candidate to take down Obama, but ran one of the most horrific primary campaigns I've ever seen. He's still a strong general election candidate in my mind, but not as strong of one going against Hillary.

    I'd vote for him 100 times out of a 100 over Hillary, but that's really not saying much.

    But it's hard to know what the "issues" are going to be in 2016. I LOVED him in 2012 because he had the best combined track record of any candidate when it came to Job Creation, reduction of government spending, taxes, and health care along with foreign policy experience and a holistic approach to dealing with our budgetary issues.

    I'm still pissed off at how horrible his campaign was managed, and it's actually something that gives me a bit of pause with him because an IDIOT could've seen it was a poor strategy. Basic Political Campaigning 101 is that you move TOWARDS your base during a primary and towards the middle in the general. Everyone does that, at least everyone that is anywhere to close to winning.
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    Re: Hilary vs Huntsman 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Absolutely would vote for Huntsman, but I think he'd have harder time winning the General election in 2016 then he would've in 2016. He's a tailor made candidate to take down Obama, but ran one of the most horrific primary campaigns I've ever seen. He's still a strong general election candidate in my mind, but not as strong of one going against Hillary.
    Do you see him as having much of a chance in primaries in 2016? Just strikes me as unlikely.
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    Re: Hilary vs Huntsman 2016

    The only real question at this point is who will the repiglicons will run against Hillary in the campaign for her second term. The GOP hates Huntsman. They will never run him.

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    Re: Hilary vs Huntsman 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by laska View Post
    Who would you vote for?
    Hope that's not the choice. But I would have to vote for Huntsman, who seems reasonable to me, as I have a personal rule against voting for either Clinton's or Bush's. however, one thing we can count on, both will look like the worse possible choices ever before we vote. Anyone who runs will look that way before the process is over.

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    Re: Hilary vs Huntsman 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Do you see him as having much of a chance in primaries in 2016? Just strikes me as unlikely.
    Not particularly. After McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012, the template that's been placed upon him as "moderate" is going to be too big of an anchor to overcome along with what seems to be a lack of high level charisma needed for that kind of stage.

    Hell, I still love the guy as a politician but would probably be open to looking at other candidates in 2016 because I don't think he has nearly the chance of a clear victory like I think he had in 2012.

    I absolutely believe with all certainty that he would've defeated Obama had he just made it through the primaries...the man was the blue print for how to do it, but had no hope of actually getting to that point.

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    Re: Hilary vs Huntsman 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Not particularly. After McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012, the template that's been placed upon him as "moderate" is going to be too big of an anchor to overcome along with what seems to be a lack of high level charisma needed for that kind of stage.
    Do you see this as a problem for the party? As in, do you think some one seen as more hardline is going to have a better chance to win a national election?

    Hell, I still love the guy as a politician but would probably be open to looking at other candidates in 2016 because I don't think he has nearly the chance of a clear victory like I think he had in 2012.

    I absolutely believe with all certainty that he would've defeated Obama had he just made it through the primaries...the man was the blue print for how to do it, but had no hope of actually getting to that point.
    I am not so sure he would have won against Obama. Romney won the primaries, when it is all said and done, because more people supported him than they other candidates. He would have had a higher hurdle to overcome than Romney within the party, and with lower name recognition, been a harder sell outside the party. It is not impossible, and we will never know for sure, but it seems like the idea that a less popular republican would win where a more popular one didn't seems counter intuitive to say the least.
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    Re: Hilary vs Huntsman 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Absolutely would vote for Huntsman, but I think he'd have harder time winning the General election in 2016 then he would've in 2016. He's a tailor made candidate to take down Obama, but ran one of the most horrific primary campaigns I've ever seen. He's still a strong general election candidate in my mind, but not as strong of one going against Hillary.

    I'd vote for him 100 times out of a 100 over Hillary, but that's really not saying much.

    But it's hard to know what the "issues" are going to be in 2016. I LOVED him in 2012 because he had the best combined track record of any candidate when it came to Job Creation, reduction of government spending, taxes, and health care along with foreign policy experience and a holistic approach to dealing with our budgetary issues.

    I'm still pissed off at how horrible his campaign was managed, and it's actually something that gives me a bit of pause with him because an IDIOT could've seen it was a poor strategy. Basic Political Campaigning 101 is that you move TOWARDS your base during a primary and towards the middle in the general. Everyone does that, at least everyone that is anywhere to close to winning.
    I agree about the campaign. Besides seemingly not knowing the political winds, his campaign under prioritized the importance of social media imo which is surprising as he seems cutting edge in so many other areas. I think he still matches up better vs Hillary than the other GOP candidates especially in a debate setting. He's the only one that is not going to look like a complete amateur on foreign policy questions and he has the experience, intelligence, and gravitas to match up with her. He got in the race late for 2012 and it was his first run so he hopefully learned a lot of lessons. He definitely needs a much better campaign team.
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