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    Re: Should the state recognize marriage at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    i understand that, but most religions are. And most major ones are too.
    I've taken part in the whole gay marriage debate for years now, and I'm entirely embarrassed to confess I have no idea what the thoughts of Buddhism, Shintoism, Sikhism or Hinduism are. I'm going to look into that.

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    Re: Should the state recognize marriage at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Ideally perhaps, but when property or children are involved, and there is a divorce or a death requiring division, it is hard for the State NOT to get involved unless there is a contract spelling out who-gets-what and it goes uncontested.
    When property or children are involved, or if there is a divorce or requirements of division, the state only needs to get involved to enforce the private marriage contracts, like any other contract. No need for an official government issued license.
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    Re: Should the state recognize marriage at all?

    Clearly marriage is not a Federal matter other than the interstate transference of the rights granted by the laws of the individual states. States have to be involved in marriage because so many legal issues are involved. Property rights alone provide a necessity for the State to be involved in the regulation of marriage. Having the authority to regulate marriage, how States manage that authority should be governed by the will of the people in each state. It's messy. It's marriage, it's always messy.

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    Re: Should the state recognize marriage at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Clearly marriage is not a Federal matter other than the interstate transference of the rights granted by the laws of the individual states. States have to be involved in marriage because so many legal issues are involved. Property rights alone provide a necessity for the State to be involved in the regulation of marriage. Having the authority to regulate marriage, how States manage that authority should be governed by the will of the people in each state. It's messy. It's marriage, it's always messy.
    Which leads me to believe it's not for me

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    Re: Should the state recognize marriage at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I've taken part in the whole gay marriage debate for years now, and I'm entirely embarrassed to confess I have no idea what the thoughts of Buddhism, Shintoism, Sikhism or Hinduism are. I'm going to look into that.
    In all honesty, all i have is the word of wikipedia, but I believe that they are not as stringent as some of more western religions but they are not open to it either. Of course please correct me if I'm wrong
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    Re: Should the state recognize marriage at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I've taken part in the whole gay marriage debate for years now, and I'm entirely embarrassed to confess I have no idea what the thoughts of Buddhism, Shintoism, Sikhism or Hinduism are. I'm going to look into that.
    Well, I've found this at any rate:

    Buddhism

    There is no universal Buddhist position on same-sex marriage. According to some interpretations of the Buddha's teachings, one of the 10 non-virtuous deeds that lead to suffering is "sexual misconduct." This term is generally understood to refer primarily to adultery. However, some Buddhists interpret the term to include homosexuality.
    Hinduism

    There is no official Hindu position on same-sex marriage. Some Hindus condemn the practice of homosexuality, but others cite ancient Hindu texts, such as the Kama Sutra, that seem to condone homosexual behavior.
    Judaism

    The Reform and Reconstructionist Jewish movements have supported gay and lesbian rights, including same-sex marriage, since the mid-1990s. In May 2012, the Conservative Jewish movement approved a ceremony to allow same-sex couples to marry. All three movements also allow individual rabbis to choose not to officiate at the weddings of gay and lesbian couples. Orthodox Judaism does not accept same-sex marriage, and its highest governing body, the Orthodox Union, has lobbied against gay marriage nationally and in various states.
    Religious Groups' Official Positions on Same-Sex Marriage - Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life

    Hindu thoughts on homosexuality are mixed.

    Religion and homosexuality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Should the state recognize marriage at all?

    They're mixed in Sikhism as well.

    Sikhism has no written view on the matter, but in 2005, a Sikh religious authority described homosexuality as "against the Sikh religion and the Sikh code of conduct and totally against the laws of nature," and called on Sikhs to support laws against gay marriage.[83] Many Sikhs are against this view, however,[84] and state that the Sikh Scriptures promote equality and do not condemn homosexuality.[85]
    It's surprisingly Zoroastrianism which takes it to another level.

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    Re: Should the state recognize marriage at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by polisciguy View Post
    Would it be better to simply keep marriages, regardless of gender or number of spouses, purely a religious or otherwise private ceremony?
    Why or why not?



    Taxes and property rights, etc.

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    Re: Should the state recognize marriage at all?

    I'd be perfectly happy with marriages that were strictly matters of religious ceremony and/or contract law. No need for a license, just pick up a package off LegalZoom and customize it to fit your personal needs.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Should the state recognize marriage at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Ideally perhaps, but when property or children are involved, and there is a divorce or a death requiring division, it is hard for the State NOT to get involved unless there is a contract spelling out who-gets-what and it goes uncontested.
    Yeah, without the state getting involved, people would have to clearly define their expectations and plan for the future.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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