View Poll Results: Is it the proper role of government to pass laws to protect you from yourself?

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Thread: Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

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    Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    I am astonished at the degree people demand the government control people to the finest detail. Of course, that also means demanding the government control you - ie protect you from yourself.

    Way back at the start of this country, a French philosopher named Torqueville toured the USA marveling at this new concept of uneducated people running their own government. While he saw this new concept of almost unrestricted personal freedom as amazing, he predicted it would not last. In his opinion that due to human nature, people would vote to outlaw anything a person does not like or do. Since there is almost nothing everyone agrees on, then ultimately almost everything would be regulated, outlaws or restricted. In short, he predicted Americans would become the most regulated, watched and constrained people with endless new laws and regulations.

    What is your opinion of the proper role of government?

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    Re: Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I am astonished at the degree people demand the government control people to the finest detail. Of course, that also means demanding the government control you - ie protect you from yourself. Way back at the start of this country, a French philosopher named Torqueville toured the USA marveling at this new concept of uneducated people running their own government. While he saw this new concept of almost unrestricted personal freedom as amazing, he predicted it would not last. In his opinion that due to human nature, people would vote to outlaw anything a person does not like or do. Since there is almost nothing everyone agrees on, then ultimately almost everything would be regulated, outlaws or restricted. In short, he predicted Americans would become the most regulated, watched and constrained people with endless new laws and regulations. What is your opinion of the proper role of government?
    Where's the poll?

    But yes, I do. In fact I'm rather extreme about it most of the time and personal responsibility is very much the core of my political beliefs.
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    Re: Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    I believe there must be limits and constrai ts on society for it to work. Without them you have the chaos we see in the country today. Within those limits, personal choice is acceptable bit of beyond those limits.

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    Re: Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    it depends on how you define teh freedom

    l can say for the second option that people are responsible for the consequences of their own actions as long as these consequences dont harm the others
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    Re: Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    We have moved so far from personal responsibility it is a damn shame. Government has overextended itself into all sorts of areas it has no business.
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    Re: Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    The proper role of government is such:

    - Maintain a justice system to prevent/seek retribution for coercion/violence between citizens
    - Organize national defense
    - Maintain the few programs that would be near impossible in the free market, IE: public roads, radio spectrum division, etc.

    The government has no role in legislating non-violent morality, or telling people what they should or shouldn't consume. It's our lives, our bodies, our decisions.
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    Re: Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    I'm huge on personal responsibility, I think people need to be held accountable for their actions, not only to themselves, but to society as well. We've lost any semblance of responsibility in the modern world, it's all a bunch of idiots with their hands out, whining about how nothing is their fault.
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    Re: Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The government has no role in legislating non-violent morality, or telling people what they should or shouldn't consume. It's our lives, our bodies, our decisions.
    And that's great, so long as it's your consequences as well. If someone is going to smoke, don't come crying to me when you get lung cancer and can't afford to pay for cancer treatments. Don't expect the taxpayers to foot your bills. You did it to yourself, you deal with it.
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    Re: Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And that's great, so long as it's your consequences as well. If someone is going to smoke, don't come crying to me when you get lung cancer and can't afford to pay for cancer treatments. Don't expect the taxpayers to foot your bills. You did it to yourself, you deal with it.
    I can agree, but then it gets really messy. What about the guy who ate McDonalds more than he should have? Should we all be paying for his triple bypass?

    We all make ****ty decisions, often regularly. Where to draw the line between "group share" and "you're on your own, haas", is a really complicated subject.

    Either way, the government shouldn't be involved.
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    Re: Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    is a really complicated subject.
    No it's not. People make the decision to smoke, to eat non healthy food, to not exercise, to skydive, etc. The outcome of their decisions is their responsibility.
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