View Poll Results: Is it the proper role of government to pass laws to protect you from yourself?

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  • Yes, if the government passed laws to protect me from myself, it then protects everyone else too.

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  • No, people are responsible for the consequences of their own actions.

    55 75.34%
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Thread: Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

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    Re: Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The proper role of government is such:

    - Maintain a justice system to prevent/seek retribution for coercion/violence between citizens
    - Organize national defense
    - Maintain the few programs that would be near impossible in the free market, IE: public roads, radio spectrum division, etc.

    The government has no role in legislating non-violent morality, or telling people what they should or shouldn't consume. It's our lives, our bodies, our decisions.
    what he said

    BTW anonymous polls suck. I want to know who voted yes



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    Re: Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The problem is, we generally do pay for the uninsured. People with no money show up to hospital emergency rooms and they are legally required to care for them. The taxpayer should not be on the hook for the irresponsible.
    I think you are draaaastically overestimating the costs of providing "free" emergency care, especially considering the workers are on staff. If you could provide a link that this is a substantial part of our healthcare costs, then I'll take you seriously.
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    Re: Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    To help me vote in this poll, could you please explain something for me?

    Would an example of the government passing a law to protect oneself from themselves be a law against drunken driving?
    Sort of but not really. A closer example would be civil commitment statutes.

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    Re: Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    To help me vote in this poll, could you please explain something for me?

    Would an example of the government passing a law to protect oneself from themselves be a law against drunken driving?
    I would say those are more oriented toward protecting others from your drunk driving. Protecting you is more a sometimes effect.

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    Re: Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Murky question. I am a general advocate of personal responsibility, but allowing any result to occur as a result is unacceptable. One example being that individuals should not be left to die for lack of resources.
    What would be a specific example of that? How would that scenario actually play out (someone being "left to die")?

    Left where, exactly? Is there like a human migration going on in this example? Oregon Trail sort of thing?

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    Re: Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    Oh no the government wants to provide abortions to unemployed single 17 year olds.

    Oh no the government wants to tax citizens that engage in consumption of poison and in toe poison others.



    How terribly oppressive and horrible that sounds.. When will this mass oppression end!?!?

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    Re: Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Sort of but not really. A closer example would be civil commitment statutes.
    So a law against drunken driving is not there to protect a person from their own actions?
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    Re: Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I would say those are more oriented toward protecting others from your drunk driving. Protecting you is more a sometimes effect.
    Oh I agree with you that it does indeed hope to protect others. But it also is there to protect the driver himself from his own irresponsible actions.
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    Re: Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So a law against drunken driving is not there to protect a person from their own actions?
    Posts #63 and #64 answered this.

    To keep the discussion going, let's assume we were to agree that drunk driving laws exist primarily to protect people from themselves (i.e., point conceded). What point would you be trying to make with this?
    Last edited by Neomalthusian; 07-28-13 at 04:07 PM.

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    Re: Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Oh I agree with you that it does indeed hope to protect others. But it also is there to protect the driver himself from his own irresponsible actions.
    I'd still say the protecting others is the primary driver which is why the limits were lowered and mandatory sentencing became more common after high-profile drunk driver takes out a van full of kittens and nuns stories.

    Probably the more direct protect people from themselves laws would be drug prohibition, proofing regulations on alcohol, no gut-busting sodas in NYC type laws.

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