View Poll Results: Is it the proper role of government to pass laws to protect you from yourself?

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  • Yes, if the government passed laws to protect me from myself, it then protects everyone else too.

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  • No, people are responsible for the consequences of their own actions.

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Thread: Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

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    Re: Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    What is your opinion of the proper role of government?
    To provide "liberty, equality, brotherhood".
    Not to tell me what I should eat, do or think.

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    Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    A part of this comes back to the eternal questions about the balance between the individual and society.
    I guess it all depends on who you mean by "society".

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    Re: Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I guess it all depends on who you mean by "society".
    The community we live in - both small and large.
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    Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The community we live in - both small and large.
    Similarly, I guess it all depends on which people you mean by "the community".

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    Re: Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Similarly, I guess it all depends on which people you mean by "the community".
    Society.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society

    A society, or a human society, is a group of people involved with each other through persistent relations, or a large social grouping sharing the same geographical or social territory, subject to the same political authority and dominant cultural expectations. Human societies are characterized by patterns of relationships (social relations) between individuals who share a distinctive culture and institutions; a given society may be described as the sum total of such relationships among its constituent members. In the social sciences, a larger society often evinces stratification and/or dominance patterns in subgroups.
    Insofar as it is collaborative, a society can enable its members to benefit in ways that would not otherwise be possible on an individual basis; both individual and social (common) benefits can thus be distinguished, or in many cases found to overlap.
    A society can also consist of like-minded people governed by their own norms and values within a dominant, larger society. This is sometimes referred to as a subculture, a term used extensively within criminology.
    More broadly, a society may be illustrated as an economic, social, or industrial infrastructure, made up of a varied collection of individuals. Members of a society may be from different ethnic groups. A society can be a particular ethnic group, such as the Saxons; a nation state, such as Bhutan; or a broader cultural group, such as a Western society. The word society may also refer to an organized voluntary association of people for religious, benevolent, cultural, scientific, political, patriotic, or other purposes. A "society" may even, though more by means of metaphor, refer to a social organism such as an ant colony or any cooperative aggregate such as, for example, in some formulations of artificial intelligence.
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    Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Cycle detected. Abort.

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    Re: Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Cycle detected. Abort.
    You fell off your bicycle?

    Did you even read the information I provided for you?
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    Re: Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    A part of this comes back to the eternal questions about the balance between the individual and society.
    Oh, so you mean the balance between the individual and the other individuals that make up society.

    Yes, I agree. Every individual is only free to act as long as his actions don't damage the person or property of any other individual.

    And when a person's actions DO damage the person or property of another individual(s) (either purposefully or accidentally), that's why we need a system of government to determine the appropriate legal penalty.

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    Re: Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Oh, so you mean the balance between the individual and the other individuals that make up society.

    Yes, I agree. Every individual is only free to act as long as his actions don't damage the person or property of any other individual.

    And when a person's actions DO damage the person or property of another individual(s) (either purposefully or accidentally), that's why we need a system of government to determine the appropriate legal penalty.
    The concept of society is beyond the concept of an individual or a collection of individuals with only personal interests.

    Of course, this has already been discussed many many times in many many threads.
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    Do you believe in personal freedom and responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The concept of society is beyond the concept of an individual or a collection of individuals with only personal interests.

    Of course, this has already been discussed many many times in many many threads.
    And in this "balance between the individual and society" how exactly does society act to express it's preferences?

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