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Thread: Invasion of privacy

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    Re: Invasion of privacy

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    ...fly over my home at a low altitude and even to circle it on occasion...

    ...My wife likes to garden naked and has had to run for clothes when one of these flying peeping Toms comes along...
    I think there is a certain connection between those two.

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    Re: Invasion of privacy

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I have to get busy but I would like to hear from some pilots that do this snoopy circling of isolated homes. What gives you the right in your mind. I'll check back at lunch.
    It could have absolutely nothing to do with you. The may in fact just be in a holding pattern as directed by the nearest air traffic control tower. While not a pilot, I did fly most of my career and we spent a lot of time sometimes in a holding pattern. 20 miles really is not that far out, depending on the amount of traffic. Also, is that 20 miles by roads or "as the crow flies"? You may be closer than you realize.

    And at least it's only Cessna's and small aircraft, I live inside the pattern area for a military base. I don't get Cessna's but 707 sized airframes with jet engines are loud, even if they are 3000-5000 feet up.

    Also, what is the altitude of your place? There is a minimum AGL (Above Ground Level) but unpressurized aircraft are not normally allowed above 10,000 Ft pressure altitude. If your ground level is fairly high, then those little planes don't really have that much play room above you.
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    Re: Invasion of privacy

    You property doesn't even include the air inside of your house. There are laws on the books that make it illegal for you to watch television signals that originate from other cities via satellite despite those signals being beamed onto the roof your your home. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a proponent of broadcast signal piracy but I do think the onus should be on the broadcaster to make their signals unwatchable without the agreed upon subscription, and not criminalizing the viewer for accessing a signal that without his consent landed on his property. Owning equipment that can descramble other city satellite signals and even books instructing you how to do so can make you subject to civil and possibly criminal liability.

    The gist is your local TV stations want exclusive rights to your TV viewing of ABC, CBS, CW, FOX, PBS and NBC. Due to their power to help or harm politicians' public image, the TV station lobby got them to make federal laws that make sure you can only watch the local TV stations that are in your city. To understand their position, their business model is based on being able to sell your eyes and ears to local businesses for advertisement revenue. However if you're watching Big Brother from the Dallas station but you live in Houston, the Houston TV station can't make any money off of you. Problem is, what if the Houston station cancels Big Brother that night to run their hurricane preparedness special? Or What if you're from Dallas but you moved to Houston for a job but still want to watch local Dallas news? Enter big government to tell you no you can't even though the technology of 2013 that wasn't yet invented when TV first went on the air makes it possible. In fact right now regardless of where you live New York, Los Angeles and a few other out of town cities' TV stations are being beamed onto the roof of everyone's home in America. Use to live in LA and want to watch the LA evening news? Sorry, its against the law. In case anybody was curious. Similar laws are on the books regarding cell phone signals that enter your home without your consent but for different reasons.
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    Re: Invasion of privacy

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    500 feet is way to low, it should be well over 1000. 500 feet gives you no privacy.
    There is no privacy when it comes to flying overhead . . . I have a detailed map of my land taken from space through a private company - I could have purchased one with more detail, up to 3 meters, but it was bigger and wouldn't satisfy my needs. For more money I could have found one for 1-meter. . . or less.

    Don't mistake distance for an inability to see - it wouldn't matter if one is interested enough and their eye is aided and they are looking.
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    Re: Invasion of privacy

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    These pilots in their little Cessna's piss me off. What gives them the right to fly over my home at a low altitude and even to circle it on occasion. They should have to stay above a certain altitude over private property. My wife likes to garden naked and has had to run for clothes when one of these flying peeping Toms comes along. Years ago I took a pot shot at one of these idiots but nowadays I just give them the finger. Anyway this is a pet peeve of mine, as far as I'm concerned they are not respecting my property rights. The air above my land should be mine up to a certain altitude.
    Why dont you just go to their airport and tell them yourself? You could take photos and bring them with you. I mean they must be somewhere local.

    I suspect all the guys at the local airport are aware that your wife gardens nude so they always come and take a peek. if you show up and talk to them in person I am sure they will stop doing that.

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    Re: Invasion of privacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    There is no privacy when it comes to flying overhead . . . I have a detailed map of my land taken from space through a private company - I could have purchased one with more detail, up to 3 meters, but it was bigger and wouldn't satisfy my needs. For more money I could have found one for 1-meter. . . or less.

    Don't mistake distance for an inability to see - it wouldn't matter if one is interested enough and their eye is aided and they are looking.
    How much do those maps cost?

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    Re: Invasion of privacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    You property doesn't even include the air inside of your house. There are laws on the books that make it illegal for you to watch television signals that originate from other cities via satellite despite those signals being beamed onto the roof your your home. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a proponent of broadcast signal piracy but I do think the onus should be on the broadcaster to make their signals unwatchable without the agreed upon subscription, and not criminalizing the viewer for accessing a signal that without his consent landed on his property. Owning equipment that can descramble other city satellite signals and even books instructing you how to do so can make you subject to civil and possibly criminal liability.

    The gist is your local TV stations want exclusive rights to your TV viewing of ABC, CBS, CW, FOX, PBS and NBC. Due to their power to help or harm politicians' public image, the TV station lobby got them to make federal laws that make sure you can only watch the local TV stations that are in your city. To understand their position, their business model is based on being able to sell your eyes and ears to local businesses for advertisement revenue. However if you're watching Big Brother from the Dallas station but you live in Houston, the Houston TV station can't make any money off of you. Problem is, what if the Houston station cancels Big Brother that night to run their hurricane preparedness special? Or What if you're from Dallas but you moved to Houston for a job but still want to watch local Dallas news? Enter big government to tell you no you can't even though the technology of 2013 that wasn't yet invented when TV first went on the air makes it possible. In fact right now regardless of where you live New York, Los Angeles and a few other out of town cities' TV stations are being beamed onto the roof of everyone's home in America. Use to live in LA and want to watch the LA evening news? Sorry, its against the law. In case anybody was curious. Similar laws are on the books regarding cell phone signals that enter your home without your consent but for different reasons.
    bwhahaha thats funny! I watch TV from several different cities, dont need any special equipment (or books). The TV police have never showed up at my door.

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    Re: Invasion of privacy

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Why dont you just go to their airport and tell them yourself? You could take photos and bring them with you. I mean they must be somewhere local.

    I suspect all the guys at the local airport are aware that your wife gardens nude so they always come and take a peek. if you show up and talk to them in person I am sure they will stop doing that.
    I suspect he is inside controlled air space and not in VFR air space for small aircraft and the pilots don't get a say in where they go or at what altitude they are flying at.
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    Re: Invasion of privacy

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    bwhahaha thats funny! I watch TV from several different cities, dont need any special equipment (or books). The TV police have never showed up at my door.
    There are loopholes, aside from hacking YOUR OWN equipment. RV and luxury boat owners are given an exemption under the presumption their TVs travel beyond home metro areas. Plus there are online streaming options like Slingbox, Roku, AppleTV, regular computers connected to TVs, etc. that most people aren't aware of; the later 3 limited to just locally originated programming and only of some TV stations. Plus, with some amplification antennas you can pick up neighboring cities.

    So are you legal or can't talk about it ?
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    Re: Invasion of privacy

    C'mon fly boys, tell me what gives you the right to swoop in over my house for a closer look. Tell me how that's different than me looking in the windows of your house.

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