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Has the election of a black POTUS led to more, no or less racsim in America?

Has the election of a black POTUS led to more, no or less racsim?

  • Having a black President has caused America to be more rasict

    Votes: 10 34.5%

  • Having a black President has caused America to be less rasict

    Votes: 1 3.4%

  • Having a black President has exposed racism that was not as apparent prior to his election

    Votes: 18 62.1%
  • Total voters
    29
cAPSLOCK said:
Into and i will not engage you when you twist my position into a flimsy strawman.
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Why are you dishonestly taking part of my sentences and reproducing them as if they were statements instead of the questions that they were? That is grossly dishonest and a complete attempt to perpetrate an intellectual fraud.

Of course you will not engage because your premise has been destroyed. Of course there is racial hatred directed towards the president and I gave you examples of it that we all saw. If you wish to hide your head in the sand and explain it away - that is on you.

Is it really your position that there is NO opposition to Obama based on racial animosity?

Is that your position?

In case you don't recognize it - those are QUESTIONS. I am asking you questions about what you believe. I am NOT telling you what you believe but asking you if that is what you believe. The two question marks should have been the drop dead give away.
 
haymarket said:
Of course you will not engage because your premise has been destroyed. Of course there is racial hatred directed towards the president and I gave you examples of it that we all saw.

Is it really your position that there is NO opposition to Obama based on racial animosity?

Is that your position?
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You continue to misrepresent my position. I will not restate it a third time. Ironically, though i am not the one lying about another's position, you are now calling me dishonest.

So now you combine ad hominem with your strawman. Well done. You lose.
 
haymarket said:
I have no doubt that for some - you are correct. I also have no doubt for others, the race of the president is a major driver of their hatred for him. If one is going to look at THE WHOLE POINT - to use your phrase - lets look at all of it. To pretend that there is not some hatred of Obama because of his race is to play ostrich.
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Would you also say: "I also have no doubt for others, the race of the president is a major driver for their adoration for him?"

I judge the man based on his actions and the content of his character. Seems to be a nice man, raising with his wife, impressive young ladies. As a leader, I don't care for him.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Would you also say: "I also have no doubt for others, the race of the president is a major driver for their adoration for him?"
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Yes. I would agree with that also.
 
I am so worried that US in the name of democracy and capitalism have became so uncivilized country ever in history.

First I dont know why you people differentiate as BLACK and WHITE, its just color of skin, there is not race called black race in history, to me it sounds so uneducated. And you both fought brave together for your independence. But still after 200 years RACISM pursuing. I don't understand the psychology of american people, its so wired
 
majith87 said:
And you both fought brave together for your independence. I don't understand the psychology of american people, its so wired
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If you believe the former, you really don't understand American history any better than you understand American psycology.
 
radcen said:
Holder has been more of a problem racially than Obama has.
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I'm honesty curious here.

Have you been personally effected by this newly fomented racial problem?

Again, I haven't seen hide nor hair of it and I'm smack dab in the middle of a very black city nearly every day of my life.

Obama, Holder, other members of the admin, whoever we want to lay blame on as "the culprit", I just don't see it translating into actual racisim on the street.

cAPSLOCK said:
Obama's race hasn't had much effect of the climate of race relations in our culture.

His politics and agenda most certainly have.
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Same question. How has the rampant racisim instigated by these guys effected you personally?
 
soot said:
Truth is, given his position as the "first Black president", President Obama has said shockingly little about race and what little he's said has been pretty muasured.
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He mentions race when it's politically convenient, like most other things he comments on. I can see where he gets the flack over his recent speech though, because it does help to reaffirm that Race played some part in the Zimmerman case (along with the actions of his administration through the DOJ and FBI), when I think he should have been more active in down playing such claims since the evidence hardly supports such a conclusion
 
haymarket said:
I distinctly remember back ot the original campaign with all the racist signs - Obama as a voodoo witch doctor - Obama as a monkey - Obama as some troglodyte - that were at GOP rallies. And it has not gone away. Some of the tea party is fueled by this as well.

But lets be serious here - are you actually taking the position that there is NO opposition to Obama based on racial animosity? Is that your position?

just google - Obama nigger - and you will get over 2 million results including some very vile stuff. To deny its existence is to take a step or two into the twilight zone.
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meh, I bet there is more animosity over his perceived politics. Racism is just a convenient outlet for that
 
soot said:
I'm sitting at a streetlight, at night, in Newark, NJ.

(A little background: several hundred carjackings and incidents of armed robbery of motorists occur in Newark, NJ every year. 99 times out of 100 the perpetrators of those crimes are black males between the ages of 15 and 35.)

Back to the very specific example...

So I'm sitting at the streetlight and I observe a gang of young black males approaching the intersection.

(More background: I don't know anything about this particular group, or anything about any individual member of the group. As I said in my earlier comment, I realize that not all young black males are criminals. But, again, I also know that when a motorist is robbed in Newark, NJ the perpetrator is almost always a young black male.)

Given what I know, and what I've observed, I consider it perfectly prudent to lock my car doors at this time, at a minimum.
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I'm always perplexed when people want to reduce the above to an incident of "racism". Being that it certainly doesn't help address the issues in these communities
 
Kal'Stang said:
I refer to him as black because that is how he refers to himself as. :shrug:

And no, the term "black" does not carry ANY connotations. The connotations spring entirely from the person using it and the person interpreting it.
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First of all, I don't accept the premise that at some point you heard Barack Obama refer to himself as black and that's the only reason why you refer him to back; as if it has nothing to do with his skin color!

The point is that Barack Obama is using your own deep rooted racist prejudices, which you are too prideful to admit, against you to further his Zionist agenda. For instance, during a speech, he will start talking about his family, and since his skin color is black, you will automatically assume that he is referring to black people, but the truth is that half of his family is white.

Check.
 
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Old English said:
First of all, I don't accept the premise that at some point you heard Barack Obama refer to himself as black and that's the only reason why you refer him to back; as if it has nothing to do with his skin color!

The point is that Barack Obama is using your own deep rooted racist prejudices, which you are too prideful to admit, against you to further his Zionist agenda. For instance, during a speech, he will start talking about his family, and since his skin color is black, you will automatically assume that he is referring to black people, but the truth is that half of his family is white.

Check.
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Not much to respond to here since you've already assumed that I was racist and admitted that you won't believe anything that I say. What's the point of posting on a debate forum if you're not willing to keep an open mind?

As for Obama refering himself as a black man...

Obama gets personal about race and manhood in Morehouse College speech

[video]http://news.yahoo.com/video/president-obamas-speech-morehouse-college-173332740.html[/video]
 
I don't think the presidents race has changed a thing the people that didn't like black people before he was elected likely still don't like them, I doubt a political figure heads change such a deeply ingrained idea. People who don't care about race likely won't start caring because of a political figure head.

None if your options apply.
 
Old English said:
First of all, I don't accept the premise that at some point you heard Barack Obama refer to himself as black and that's the only reason why you refer him to back; as if it has nothing to do with his skin color!

The point is that Barack Obama is using your own deep rooted racist prejudices, which you are too prideful to admit, against you to further his Zionist agenda. For instance, during a speech, he will start talking about his family, and since his skin color is black, you will automatically assume that he is referring to black people, but the truth is that half of his family is white.

Check.
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"Zionist agenda?"

:)

Oy.
 
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