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    Re: Has the election of a black POTUS led to more, no or less racsim in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I totally agree, there is very little overt racism in the USA now-a-days, there's still some racism, but it's mostly low key.
    I think it became more overt in the last five years, though. At least compared to the decade or two before that. Obviously less so than in the 50s, for example.
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    Re: Has the election of a black POTUS led to more, no or less racsim in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Moreover, people tend to criticize all presidents in terms of that president's characteristics. For instance, criticism of Bush and his policies was tattered with prejudice against Southerners. Similarly, criticism of Obama and his policies are tattered with prejudice against blacks. People just latch onto a characteristic that they can stereotype and run with it in their simple little minds, LOL. I do, however, think the latter has been much more intense than the former.
    This kind of goes back to a thought I'd said before...people are often lazy.

    I've suggested, often, that criticism of politicians 9 out of 10 times comes from a foundation of partisan disagreement. Upon that foundation all sorts of things can be used to build, but the foundation is partisanship.

    When it comes to the question of "What to use to build off of it"...well, it goes back to people being lazy. People tend to grab onto what ever the low hanging fruit is. From relying on SNL material as a means of commonly making fun of a politician (think Palin or GHWB...yay Dana Carvey), to relying on pointless stuff (G Dub's "funny words" or Clinton eating hamburgers when he was larger), to things that seem more basely prejudiced ("Redneck/Cowboy/etc" George Bush, Thug/Gangsta Obama, etc)...people grab somewhat "easy" stuff.

    But rarely do I think those things are the notions that are actually fueling the views. They're just things that a person grabs onto as an easy way to bash. Had George Bush been a well spoken Black and Barack Obama been a word-butchering Southerner I wouldn't expect that there'd be very similar complaints and jokes coming out from the opposite sides (though tweaked reflecting the wolrld views a bit of the group). Because it's less about race, or region, or talking ability, or waist size, or anything else and more about politics...those are just the means to the end.

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    Re: Has the election of a black POTUS led to more, no or less racsim in America?

    The election had no direct effect on racism either way. What has become more apparent is that we are more divided by politics and people are using race as a political weapon. So while it seems racism may be worse, it's a lie. It is nothing but a political stunt.
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    Re: Has the election of a black POTUS led to more, no or less racsim in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    This kind of goes back to a thought I'd said before...people are often lazy.

    I've suggested, often, that criticism of politicians 9 out of 10 times comes from a foundation of partisan disagreement. Upon that foundation all sorts of things can be used to build, but the foundation is partisanship.

    When it comes to the question of "What to use to build off of it"...well, it goes back to people being lazy. People tend to grab onto what ever the low hanging fruit is. From relying on SNL material as a means of commonly making fun of a politician (think Palin or GHWB...yay Dana Carvey), to relying on pointless stuff (G Dub's "funny words" or Clinton eating hamburgers when he was larger), to things that seem more basely prejudiced ("Redneck/Cowboy/etc" George Bush, Thug/Gangsta Obama, etc)...people grab somewhat "easy" stuff.

    But rarely do I think those things are the notions that are actually fueling the views. They're just things that a person grabs onto as an easy way to bash. Had George Bush been a well spoken Black and Barack Obama been a word-butchering Southerner I wouldn't expect that there'd be very similar complaints and jokes coming out from the opposite sides (though tweaked reflecting the wolrld views a bit of the group). Because it's less about race, or region, or talking ability, or waist size, or anything else and more about politics...those are just the means to the end.
    While I agree with you that people often lazily latch onto traits that they use to lazily stereotype politicians, I don't consider the role of the actual prejudice itself to be as minimal as you seem to. I wouldn't say that "it's less about race, region, et al." and I wouldn't say that "those are just means to an end." Instead, I would say of the people in question that racism, regionalism, et al. are a meaningful or integral part of their worldview and that they project such prejudices onto their political foes more intensely than they do their political allies.

    In other words, Democrats making fun of Bush's accent probably do have genuine, meaningful prejudices against Southerners. Republicans who think Obama is uppity probably do have genuine, meaningful prejudices against black people. They just tend to let it out more when they're talking about people they consider - for lack of a better word - enemies.

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    Re: Has the election of a black POTUS led to more, no or less racsim in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    People are much more likely to have a crime committed against them by someone they know than they are by a stranger.
    I'd like to see some empirical evidence supporting that claim.

    I know it's true for certain classes of crime and among certain demographic populations but I've never seen it stated so broadly.

    I'm not sure that you're correct in making such a claim and you'll forgive me for not taking your word for it simply because you feel like claiming it.

    Anyhow...

    Therefore, by your implied definition of common sense, it would be "simple common sense" to lock our doors whenever we see someone we know coming up the steps. Since people don't generally do that, there's something more than "simple common sense" at play.
    You did take note that I gave a very specific example, right?

    Here's the scenario again:

    I'm sitting at a streetlight, at night, in Newark, NJ.

    (A little background: several hundred carjackings and incidents of armed robbery of motorists occur in Newark, NJ every year. 99 times out of 100 the perpetrators of those crimes are black males between the ages of 15 and 35.)

    Back to the very specific example...

    So I'm sitting at the streetlight and I observe a gang of young black males approaching the intersection.

    (More background: I don't know anything about this particular group, or anything about any individual member of the group. As I said in my earlier comment, I realize that not all young black males are criminals. But, again, I also know that when a motorist is robbed in Newark, NJ the perpetrator is almost always a young black male.)

    Given what I know, and what I've observed, I consider it perfectly prudent to lock my car doors at this time, at a minimum.

    I know that the odds are very slim that I'm going to be the target of any kind of crime. I've been in this situation 100 times before and I've never been carjacked or robbed at gunpoint.

    But why take a chance? Why not err on the side of caution? It seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to do, from my perspective.

    Again, it seems like simple common sense.

    Now, if I were to do the same thing when being approached by a handfull of 13-year-old black girls, or a pair of middle aged black men in business suits, then yeah, sure, I'd say that there's something more to that than simple common sense.

    Clearly if I had used one of these scenarios, knowing that teenaged black girls or middle aged black businessmen are the perpetrators of virtually no carjackings or armed robberies and that the only apparent trait they share with the people who are is the fact that they're black, then yeah, there's some kind of dicked up racial stuff going on there.
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    Re: Has the election of a black POTUS led to more, no or less racsim in America?

    I think its simply elevated the temperature of the soup that is racism such that it bubbled, boiled and spilled out onto the stove. I believe the racists amongst us (those that saw blacks as a threat) previously believed blacks were in their place and not a threat. Now, they have to deal with the black that "stepped out of place". Kind of like the first black to join the country club stirs up a lot of native emotions in the country club membership.

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    Re: Has the election of a black POTUS led to more, no or less racsim in America?

    We have a President and his entire staff that are incessant race-baiters. No, he and his administration have not been good for race relations. For one, he has essentially endorsed racism among African-Americans against others.

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    Re: Has the election of a black POTUS led to more, no or less racsim in America?

    PS... I did not answer the poll because I don't think it is generically about having a "black" President. Rather, it is specifically about the conduct and words of President Obama and his administration. It is specific about him and his staff.

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    Re: Has the election of a black POTUS led to more, no or less racsim in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    We have a President and his entire staff that are incessant race-baiters. No, he and his administration have not been good for race relations. For one, he has essentially endorsed racism among African-Americans against others.
    Other than the Trayvon Martin case can you offer any specific examples? What might surprise some people is Obama has developed a reputation among many blacks as a President who refuses to address the concerns of an important and loyal constituency out of fears he'd be accused of doing exactly what you assert. Some of his most vocal critics have actually compared the things Bush and Clinton have done specifically addressing black constituent concerns to Obama's and how Obama hasn't come close. But I understand perception is reality often based on what we'd expect a black president to do even though he might not have. Another poster here expressed some disgust with Obama and Holder constantly "using te race card", of which I asked for examples ad he has yet to reply.

    I ask you to exclude the Trayvon Martin case since I think those comments were misunderstood by some. Some people, including myself think his comments were directed toward non-blacks who have been for the most part unaware of the unique treatment blacks often face in efforts to foster understanding, and not to blacks intended to "bait" them into anger toward whites. But again, perception is reality especially if its a negative perception of someone we start out as identifying as a political foe.
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    Re: Has the election of a black POTUS led to more, no or less racsim in America?

    There's no doubt that it's increased, basically due to the fact that he was essentially elected by white race apologists. That is, in and of itself, racist.

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