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    Re: Has the election of a black POTUS led to more, no or less racsim in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    One thing is people getting sick of the race card being played even when top government officials are black. In particular, these officials like Obama and Holder are adding fuel to the fire with BS they say.
    I think Herman Cain could be accused of using "the race card" in saying the accusations made over sexual harassment that were made during his 2012 Presidential bid.

    Prompted by conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer in a television interview, Cain answered yes to the question of whether "race [and] being a strong black conservative has anything to do with the fact you've been so charged."

    Herman Cain plays the race card, unfortunately - Los Angeles Times

    However, I cannot think of anytime when President Obama or AG Holder have done so. Could you offer some specific instances?

    On the "race card" debate, I personally find the matter a convenient conservative political correctness ploy to shut down any discussion of possible racism that does not rise to the level of people showing up in white robes and burning crosses. In other words by use of "the 'race card' card", only extremely serious displays of racism are fair to even discuss while less severe displays of racism get a free pass.
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    Re: Has the election of a black POTUS led to more, no or less racsim in America?

    Rightwing Definition of race card- Black person talks in anyway about race.
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    Re: Has the election of a black POTUS led to more, no or less racsim in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    We have always had racists all over this planet,we still have them, and, unfortunately, that racism is not going to disappear tomorrow.

    Most of the people on this planet are racists, some are more racist, some are less racist.




    "At the heart of racism is the religious assertion that God made a creative mistake when He brought some people into being." ~Friedrich Otto Hertz
    I agree that world wide racism is huge and America, despite our imperfections have advanced far ahead of most people in this respect. In China, it is the official government policy that no one can be recognized as a Chinese citizen unless they have Oriental ethnicity, regardless of where they are born. The Middle East is so filled with hate-filled bigotry, they make the Ku Klux Klan look like girl scouts; not sure if its race based or religion based, probably some of both. The most extreme racism I've ever experienced were from Indians of South Asian heritage complete with insults and death threats, who even have their internal human value system based on the lightness or darkness of the complexions of people within their own race. I do want to emphasize however, EVERYONE cannot be painted with the same same brush. At the same time I know people of Asian heritage who are some of the kindest people I've ever met, including family members. Just speaking in generalities.
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    Re: Has the election of a black POTUS led to more, no or less racsim in America?

    I haven't noticed any kind of overt racisim among anyone that I know since President Obama was elected.

    Then again, I don't really associate with assholes.

    I suspect that everyone harbors some degree of covert racisim; that perhaps my white friends would be a little more inclined to lock their doors when stopped at a street light in Newark if they see a pack of black kids approaching as opposed to if it was a pack of white kids. Are ALL black kids going to commit some kind of crime? No of course not, but why take cances seeing as how you can't spot a criminal just by looking at a group of random people?

    But you really have to ask yourself if maybe that isn't simple common sense rather than racisim, given that the overwelming majority of crimes commited in Newark are commited by black kids.

    But it isn't like my Army buddies are secretely messaging me on Facebook, "Dude, don't invite the black guys to this year's reunion because, you know, President Obama is a failure".

    I think most of the racisim I see is from the media and politicians drumming up controversy for personal gain and from idiots on the Internet who really aren't fit to be taken anyplace and who I wouldn't have as real friends in the first place.

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    Re: Has the election of a black POTUS led to more, no or less racsim in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I agree that world wide racism is huge and America, despite our imperfections have advanced far ahead of most people in this respect. In China, it is the official government policy that no one can be recognized as a Chinese citizen unless they have Oriental ethnicity, regardless of where they are born. The Middle East is so filled with hate-filled bigotry, they make the Ku Klux Klan look like girl scouts; not sure if its race based or religion based, probably some of both. The most extreme racism I've ever experienced were from Indians of South Asian heritage complete with insults and death threats, who even have their internal human value system based on the lightness or darkness of the complexions of people within their own race. I do want to emphasize however, EVERYONE cannot be painted with the same same brush. At the same time I know people of Asian heritage who are some of the kindest people I've ever met, including family members. Just speaking in generalities.



    My experience from over 70 years of living all over this planet is that most people are good-hearted and empathetic, it's the few bad guys who create all of our problems.

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    Re: Has the election of a black POTUS led to more, no or less racsim in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I haven't noticed any kind of overt racisim among anyone that I know since President Obama was elected.

    Then again, I don't really associate with assholes.

    I suspect that everyone harbors some degree of covert racisim; that perhaps my white friends would be a little more inclined to lock their doors when stopped at a street light in Newark if they see a pack of black kids approaching as opposed to if it was a pack of white kids. Are ALL black kids going to commit some kind of crime? No of course not, but why take cances seeing as how you can't spot a criminal just by looking at a group of random people?

    But you really have to ask yourself if maybe that isn't simple common sense rather than racisim, given that the overwelming majority of crimes commited in Newark are commited by black kids.

    But it isn't like my Army buddies are secretely messaging me on Facebook, "Dude, don't invite the black guys to this year's reunion because, you know, President Obama is a failure".

    I think most of the racisim I see is from the media and politicians drumming up controversy for personal gain and from idiots on the Internet who really aren't fit to be taken anyplace and who I wouldn't have as real friends in the first place.



    I totally agree, there is very little overt racism in the USA now-a-days, there's still some racism, but it's mostly low key.

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    Re: Has the election of a black POTUS led to more, no or less racsim in America?

    Can't vote as no option fits me.

    Having a President whose black does nothing for or against the notion of "racism" in this country. A singular instance like this isn't going to have any kind of gigantic shift in a societal sentiment. There's too many other factors constantly pouring in. The way his race was politicized throughout the run up to his presidency, and during his presidency, undoubtably both helped racial views for some people and harmed them for others.

    The issue about race is that the more you focus on it the more you have difficulties suggesting people need to look beyond it, and yet it is through that focusing upon it that so much action is taken to attempt to combat racism. Understandably, because earlier on it was such an over the top and wide spread thing you gained more confronting it in a frontal, blunt fashion. At this point however I think often it does as much harm as good to racial relations when coming at it that way.

    I largely feel that Obama's Presidency has ben a wash, largely thanks to people on both sides of the racial divide and due to both sides of the political divide as well. For those racially moderate types who just don't really care too much what color people are, the bat**** racists on one side and the "OMG EVERYTHING IS BECAUSE HE'S BLACK!" people on the other both tend to just rub you the wrong way and put you off from their arguments.

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    Re: Has the election of a black POTUS led to more, no or less racsim in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    But you really have to ask yourself if maybe that isn't simple common sense rather than racisim, given that the overwelming majority of crimes commited in Newark are commited by black kids.
    It's not "simple common sense". People are much more likely to have a crime committed against them by someone they know than they are by a stranger. Therefore, by your implied definition of common sense, it would be "simple common sense" to lock our doors whenever we see someone we know coming up the steps. Since people don't generally do that, there's something more than "simple common sense" at play.

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    Re: Has the election of a black POTUS led to more, no or less racsim in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    "What other president was asked to show his birth certificate. And comments like Obama is unamerican, a communist, a dictator etc. are all about who he really is, BLACK."
    This rather overlooks the fact that Obama had a rather atypical background regardless of the issue of race, and doubt someone during the 1st or 2nd red scare would escape attacks if they were fathered by a foreign national with a background in the communist party.

    Especially if they were running for president.

    Also, we shouldn't overlook that Obama's background as a black man and citizen were first questioned in the democratic primary, further underlining the notion that politics is a dirty business and you use what you have.

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    Re: Has the election of a black POTUS led to more, no or less racsim in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Back in 2008 a popular political pundit cautioned that if Barack Obama were to be elected President, unlike claims it would lead to a less racially divided country, it would in fact lead to more racism.

    At the time, I disagreed. I felt if Obama were to be elected, people with racial prejudices against blacks would see that blacks aren't that different than anyone else, are capable of leadership and posses the same intellectual faculties as anyone else all leading to a more harmonious racially diverse America less incumbered by fears, stereotypes and discrimination.

    However, after hearing the pundit's assertions, I began to accept the idea that there was an outside chance we could see more racism but not because it didn't exist prior to the election of a black President but rather deep racist attitudes already existed but were suppressed and the election of a black President might bring those suppressed racist attitudes to the surface. At the time I thought even that would be a good thing since thinking any racist attitudes would be limited to speech, if its out in the open, we can discuss it, deal with it and help foster better understanding.

    With the benefit of hindsight, what do you think? I for one, had no idea just how racist some of the people I considered friends and political allies actually are.
    It's mostly exposed racism that was already there although I would also add that it's intensified such racism as well.

    I don't think that many white people consciously said, "A black man has been elected president, I must now express my racism openly." In any case, I think it's made a lot of white right-wingers uncomfortable because the mere existence of a black President brings racial issues to light that a lot of white people and conservatives - according to polls - don't consider relevant or don't want to talk about. I also think having a black president has also freaked out those white people who feel that they need to "take their country back". To see a black man in such a high office in this country is probably too much for them to take.

    Moreover, people tend to criticize all presidents in terms of that president's characteristics. For instance, criticism of Bush and his policies was tattered with prejudice against Southerners. Similarly, criticism of Obama and his policies are tattered with prejudice against blacks. People just latch onto a characteristic that they can stereotype and run with it in their simple little minds, LOL. I do, however, think the latter has been much more intense than the former.

    I would also like to add that I think racism/prejudice between blacks and Hispanics has actually decreased during Obama's terms, probably in response to both groups feeling attacked by white conservatives.

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