View Poll Results: Did unions bankrupt Detroit

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    19 40.43%
  • No, unions are not at fault

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    Re: Did unions bankrupt Detroit

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Um, Detroit is a right to work state and I hear that they still have auto workers in the state only they are making half of what the last generation made. The same generation that had a very nice middle class life. Now they have made these workers insecure and in the ranks of the working poor. Great priorities.
    Michigan very recently became a right to work state, they in effect shut the barn door after the horses were gone.

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    Re: Did unions bankrupt Detroit

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Unions being 50% to blame does not make them 100% liable.
    It makes them a huge contributing factor and it could be argued that unions were the deciding factor in sending Detroit over a cliff.

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    Re: Did unions bankrupt Detroit

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    It makes them a huge contributing factor and it could be argued that unions were the deciding factor in sending Detroit over a cliff.
    I don't think anyone's arguing against that. I'm just saying that to blame union activity/pension funds alone is foolish. So much more goes into running/financing a city than the arrangement of union contracts whether proper or mismanaged.
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    Re: Did unions bankrupt Detroit

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I don't think anyone's arguing against that. I'm just saying that to blame union activity/pension funds alone is foolish. So much more goes into running/financing a city than the arrangement of union contracts whether proper or mismanaged.
    Fair point and maybe the poll should have asked if unions were the deciding factor not the cause all by themselves but then again you may be nit picking here.

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    Re: Did unions bankrupt Detroit

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'll tell you what I do think: I think the politicians who failed to fund these plans adequately belong in jail. You make the concessions in contract negotiations? You pay the piper. What you don't do is kick the can down the road and drive a city into bankruptcy.

    These politicians who failed to increase tax rates or cut spending in order to fund their promises belong in jail.
    Um, would that be all of our congress critters or do we look at their individual voting records.
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    Re: Did unions bankrupt Detroit

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Um, would that be all of our congress critters or do we look at their individual voting records.
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    Re: Did unions bankrupt Detroit

    Only the original Ford factory at Highland Park was ever within the boundaries of Detroit. Car assembly was moved to Dearborn in the 1920's. The car-based premise of the OP would be laughable if it wasn't so tragic.
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    Re: Did unions bankrupt Detroit

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    In short, you want to blame unions because you don't like them. But the truth is union benefits were NOT the only reason the city of Detroit fell apart.
    No, they're not the only reason but they are a major contributing factor and they were, without question, the straw that broke the camel's back. That's the insidious nature of these massive union benefit packages, they get larger and larger and larger every year as more and more people qualify and modern medical technology keeps the retirees alive for longer.
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    Did unions bankrupt Detroit

    Quote Originally Posted by BretBierle View Post
    Yeah, us democrats I know are not innocent but I think taxing people that can afford to chip in a little more would be nice....it's like "No!Don't take 25% of my 10,000,000$ I'm going to be in the poor house!

    This sentiment never fails to make me laugh. We aren't talking about people making 10,000,0000 here. More like people making 100,000 or 150,000 or more, basically any 2 earner households where the wage earners have decent jobs.

    And while that may be an above average family income, those people are not rich and a 25% tax bite hurts them.
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    Re: Did unions bankrupt Detroit

    Quote Originally Posted by BretBierle View Post
    Republicans always over taxing the poor and under taxing the rich
    Yep those "Bush" FIT rates were so unfair:

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