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Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743:1845; 2006]

Who will still be standing


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Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Misreadings and translation errors on your part. Sorry. I've linked those for you before.

It is not a translation error, many many MANY scholars, in fact a majority of Biblical scholars take my position on those. The ones that don't are the ones that A. either are not believers and are doing secular scholarship, or B. have an agenda to prove.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

That does not = homosexuality is not a sin. It also doesn't mean to accept sin. It also does not mean to not say what sin is. It does mean hate the sin, not the sinner.

No, but homosexuality fits that decree better than torture. ;)

And I've also told you to get a good definition of sin. Sin doesn't equal immoral.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

It is not a translation error, many many MANY scholars, in fact a majority of Biblical scholars take my position on those. The ones that don't are the ones that A. either are not believers and are doing secular scholarship, or B. have an agenda to prove.

Not really, as one explained to me, it's easier to keep with that reading than rewrite tradition for everyone.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

according to the bible homosexuality in itself is not sin in this fact has been proven repeatedly
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

No, but homosexuality fits that decree better than torture. ;)

And I've also told you to get a good definition of sin. Sin doesn't equal immoral.

Did I say sin = immoral?
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

according to the bible homosexuality in itself is not sin in this fact has been proven repeatedly

Wrong.

Romans 1
1 Cor. 6
1 Tim. 1
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Not really, as one explained to me, it's easier to keep with that reading than rewrite tradition for everyone.

Right.... That's funny. :roll:
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Did I say sin = immoral?

We were talking about morality, and then you threw in sin. Wanted to make sure you knew the difference.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

We were talking about morality, and then you threw in sin. Wanted to make sure you knew the difference.

Though I do believe all sin is immoral based on the definition of moral.

mor·al
/ˈmôrəl/Adjective
Concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Wrong.

Romans 1
1 Cor. 6
1 Tim. 1

nothing in there says homosexuality itself is a sin, you lose to facts again. even the pope disagress with you because he is educated enough on this topic to understand it
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Right.... That's funny. :roll:

And true. As is the poor Amish follow who asked his congregation not to be mad at him because he could prove the Bible against homosexuality. There's more than a few books on this at your public library. They are more complete than links you can find on the Internet. I encourage you to visit and investigate.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

nothing in there says homosexuality itself is a sin, you lose to facts again. even the pope disagress with you because he is educated enough on this topic to understand it

The Pope....I'm not Catholic....

That being said, Why would those who practice homosexuality not enter heaven? Because it is sin.

Here is what 1 Timothy says:

8 Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, 9 understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, 10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound[c] doctrine, 11 in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.


Pretty clear that it is sin.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Though I do believe all sin is immoral based on the definition of moral.

Of character. The two words are quite different.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

And true. As is the poor Amish follow who asked his congregation not to be mad at him because he could prove the Bible against homosexuality. There's more than a few books on this at your public library. They are more complete than links you can find on the Internet. I encourage you to visit and investigate.

Or I can just study the original languages and context myself thanks.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

1.)The Pope....
2.)I'm not Catholic....
3.) That being said, Why would those who practice homosexuality not enter heaven? Because it is sin.
4.) Here is what 1 Timothy says:

according to the bible homosexuality in itself is not sin in this fact has been proven repeatedly


Pretty clear that it is sin.

1.) yes the pope
2.) never said you were
3.) "practice" who said practice? there you go again being dishonest and making stuff up
4.) thank you for posting this and proving that Timothy never says homosexuality itself is sin, your own post proves my statment true, thanks
5.) only if you are dishonest and ignore facts, it actually proves my statement true, i post it again
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

The Pope....I'm not Catholic....

That being said, Why would those who practice homosexuality not enter heaven? Because it is sin.

Here is what 1 Timothy says:



Pretty clear that it is sin.

Let me preface by saying if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck. To me, all this judgement of others because they "sin," in a manner that differs from the way you "sin," is poppycock to begin with.

But in the spirit of the thread I will play along.....

All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Why would any other sinner be allowed into the gates of heaven and homosexuals be banned?

Please explain to me your interpretation of Romans 10:9.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

1.) yes the pope
2.) never said you were
3.) "practice" who said practice? there you go again being dishonest and making stuff up
4.) thank you for posting this and proving that Timothy never says homosexuality itself is sin, your own post proves my statment true, thanks
5.) only if you are dishonest and ignore facts, it actually proves my statement true, i post it again

The passage said practice actually. What do you think Timothy was talking about? Sin, you should probably brush up on your reading skills for that.

I didn't ignore facts, you apparently can't read.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Let me preface by saying if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck. To me, all this judgement of others because they "sin," in a manner that differs from the way you "sin," is poppycock to begin with.

But in the spirit of the thread I will play along.....

All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Why would any other sinner be allowed into the gates of heaven and homosexuals be banned?

Please explain to me your interpretation of Romans 10:9.

Of course all of sinned, you seem to think we only address one sin. That's not the case. The problem is people are blatantly flaunting that sin and not turning from it. We also discuss other sins, they just don't get the publicity from the MSM.

It means exactly what it says, to counter where you are going with that, what do you think Romans 6 means?
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

1.)The passage said practice actually.
2.) What do you think Timothy was talking about? Sin
3.) you should probably brush up on your reading skills for that.
4.)I didn't ignore facts,
5.)you apparently can't read.

1.) yes it did, thank you for acknowledging that fact that the passage did and my statement did not.
its this fact that proves you wrong and my statement to be true.
2.) you already told me and the passage already said what he was talking about "practice" which is exactly why my statement is a fact
3.) instead of being uncivil and trying failed insults that further expose your dishonesty and lack of education on this matter you should brush up on English.
4.) yes you did, YOU just proved it, you referred to something i never said
5.) again you just proved the fact that i can and you cant

thanks, you lose to facts again

lets reflect:
according to the bible homosexuality in itself is not sin in this fact has been proven repeatedly

let us know when this fact changes, if you disagree by all means FACTUALLY prove otherwise
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Or I can just study the original languages and context myself thanks.

Only if you're Truely qualified.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

1.) yes it did, thank you for acknowledging that fact that the passage did and my statement did not.
its this fact that proves you wrong and my statement to be true.
2.) you already told me and the passage already said what he was talking about "practice" which is exactly why my statement is a fact
3.) instead of being uncivil and trying failed insults that further expose your dishonesty and lack of education on this matter you should brush up on English.
4.) yes you did, YOU just proved it, you referred to something i never said
5.) again you just proved the fact that i can and you cant

thanks, you lose to facts again

lets reflect:
according to the bible homosexuality in itself is not sin in this fact has been proven repeatedly

let us know when this fact changes, if you disagree by all means FACTUALLY prove otherwise

How, according to the Bible is it NOT sin? Do answer that one, I have shown you the verses that shows that it is, you claim that it is not, therefore BOP is on you.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

1.)How, according to the Bible is it NOT sin? Do answer that one
2.) I have shown you the verses that shows that it is
3.), you claim that it is not
4.) therefore BOP is on you.

1.) easy because the bibles says the acts are a sin, something your dishonesty or ignoorance of this subject seems to not allow you to understand.
2.) nope you showed me verses that say the act is a sin
3.) 100% wrong, :i: dont claim anything, im pointing out facts that your verse support and prove
4.) there no burden of proof, your verses and you already took care of that for me

YOU pointed out that i never said practice when i asked you and YOU posted verses that YOU admitted DO referre to PRACTICE

you lose gain to facts, thanks for further proving it

lets reflect:
according to the bible homosexuality in itself is not sin in this fact has been proven repeatedly

let us know when this fact changes, if you disagree by all means FACTUALLY prove otherwise
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Yes it is. And I sat here and listened to self professed conservatives give their unequivocal support for it. They forget their principles and morals when convenient.
I support waterboarding. It's a wonderful tactic to extract critical information. It's just too bad the dope smoking peaceniks were allowed to screw everything up. Does anyone else believe liberals are freedom hating Communists?
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

1.) easy because the bibles says the acts are a sin, something your dishonesty or ignoorance of this subject seems to not allow you to understand.
2.) nope you showed me verses that say the act is a sin
3.) 100% wrong, :i: dont claim anything, im pointing out facts that your verse support and prove
4.) there no burden of proof, your verses and you already took care of that for me

YOU pointed out that i never said practice when i asked you and YOU posted verses that YOU admitted DO referre to PRACTICE

you lose gain to facts, thanks for further proving it

lets reflect:
according to the bible homosexuality in itself is not sin in this fact has been proven repeatedly

let us know when this fact changes, if you disagree by all means FACTUALLY prove otherwise

You actually said WHO said practice and I told you the text did, so I'm not sure how that proves anything.

Romans 1, clearly describes homoexuality as a sin. Sin is anything that goes against God's design. Homosexuality fits that bill. That being said, homosexuality as an "orientation" is a new idea, and is not what we are talking about. We are talking about the traditional definitions of homosexuality. You cannot tell me that there is a person out there who is a homosexual who has not done a homosexual act whether it is lust or something further more tangible. That being said, you cannot tell me that Homosexuality is not a sin no matter how bad you want it to be anything else.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

I support waterboarding. It's a wonderful tactic to extract critical information. It's just too bad the dope smoking peaceniks were allowed to screw everything up. Does anyone else believe liberals are freedom hating Communists?

Only idiots believe that.

:coffeepap
 
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