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Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743:1845; 2006]

Who will still be standing


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Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

This is an interesting philosophical dilemma. If there is a God, then there is a truth. If that God has rules, then morality is absolute. The fact that man does not know God nor know God's rules does not change the fact that morality is absolute. If one has a belief, then they also believe that morality is absolute.

Of course, if there is no God, the concept of morality is considerably different. For one, morality becomes more about ethics than morals as virtue is more rooted in philosophy than truth. In that case, "morality" is relative.

When you suggest that morality is relative, that statement is more about ethics: respecting the rights of others to have different belief systems. Despite the fact that people have different belief systems does not mean that each of those belief systems is correct; in fact, most of them (the specific systems) will be wrong.

The problem in this world is that the 3 Abrahamic religions are so out there they don't even see themselves as "religions", they see themselves as "reality"......................
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

God's morality is clearly written in the Bible, we can interpret it but if we are wrong we are wrong. Someone can incorrectly say that the Bible approves of homosexuality or any other sin that they want to feel comfortable committing or supporting, but it doesn't make it true. That's why it's crucial to read the Bible in context with prayer guided by the Holy Spirit.

God's morality is clearly written in the bible, but we see different interpretations all the time. For example, someone can incorrectly say that the bible disapproves of homosexuality, but that doesn't make it true. Also, since many religions have many different versions of God's word, YOUR belief of what the word is happens to be relative and not applicable to anyone else.


No, I gave an example. Just as how human laws are a higher power when humans do immoral things, God's laws are a higher power that all humans will be judged under when they die. Someone can hold their relative beliefs about something and be wrong because absolute exists and truth is knowable. Humans can change human laws, God can change His laws, but the laws on the books are absolute. if someone murders and they are judged it is absolutely a crime, in much the same way if someone sins they will be judged for it and it will absolutely be sin.

No, what you showed is that people perceive God's word differently and how society views it and applies it is relative.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Agreed. So let's hope churches won't feel compelled to do this:

Churches Amend Bylaws to Protect Against Gay Marriage Lawsuits - Christian News, Commentary

Oh, wait...

Churches can do whatever the heck they want. They can't be forced to hold same sex marriages. They can choose to allow them, but they cannot be forced. It's their choice, their expression, the State will always issue these contracts regardless of Religious objection. So who cares?

Freedom...it's a bitch sometimes, but it's better than the alternative.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

The problem in this world is that the 3 Abrahamic religions are so out there they don't even see themselves as "religions", they see themselves as "reality"......................

If you believe there is a God, then you believe there is an absolute truth. If you one of the 3 Abrahamic religions (and there are really only two as Christianity and Judaism are essentially the same) is correct, then that one has reality. That said, religions are creations of man and as such is inherently flawed; a theology, on the other hand, is a personal belief system. One's theology could be correct and therefore reality, yet their religion, as a creation man, is just a religion.

(if I go on with this much longer, I may have to smoke a joint just to keep up with myself)
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Freedom...it's a bitch sometimes, but it's better than the alternative.
Damn straight! Now how about a movie in Manhattan? I'll buy the 32oz Coke. Oh, wait....
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

If you believe there is a God, then you believe there is an absolute truth. If you one of the 3 Abrahamic religions (and there are really only two as Christianity and Judaism are essentially the same) is correct, then that one has reality. That said, religions are creations of man and as such is inherently flawed; a theology, on the other hand, is a personal belief system. One's theology could be correct and therefore reality, yet their religion, as a creation man, is just a religion.

(if I go on with this much longer, I may have to smoke a joint just to keep up with myself)
Please do. I'm sure you won't sound any less incoherent. ;)
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Damn straight! Now how about a movie in Manhattan? I'll buy the 32oz Coke. Oh, wait....

NYC is a trash heap.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

I think that all four churches will do their best to oppress homosexuals...
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Churches can do whatever the heck they want. They can't be forced to hold same sex marriages. They can choose to allow them, but they cannot be forced. It's their choice, their expression, the State will always issue these contracts regardless of Religious objection. So who cares?

Freedom...it's a bitch sometimes, but it's better than the alternative.


Re Dooble's article -
"It would seem that the law now is that churches do not have to perform marriages that violate its beliefs," Erwin said. "However, if a church rents out its facilities for weddings to anyone but same-sex couples, then a court could find that the church is discriminating in violation of law by only refusing to rent to homosexuals
Churches Amend Bylaws to Protect Against Gay Marriage Lawsuits - Christian News, Commentary


If a church has a public meeting hall that anyone can use regardless of faith, then yeah, they might be in trouble if they refused to allow a same sex wedding there. But the church minister/pastor/priest doesn't have to perform the ceremony.

If they don't want to let same sex couples rent their hall, they might want to get out of the business of renting it out for profit.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

I think that all four churches will do their best to oppress homosexuals...
Or at least do their best to keep homosexuals from oppressing them.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

NYC is a trash heap.
I visited there in mid spring, and loved every minute of it.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

I visited there in mid spring, and loved every minute of it.

I go there often and can stand about 8 hours.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Re Dooble's article -
Churches Amend Bylaws to Protect Against Gay Marriage Lawsuits - Christian News, Commentary


If a church has a public meeting hall that anyone can use regardless of faith, then yeah, they might be in trouble if they refused to allow a same sex wedding there. But the church minister/pastor/priest doesn't have to perform the ceremony.

If they don't want to let same sex couples rent their hall, they might want to get out of the business of renting it out for profit.

Would have, could have, should have; let me know when it did.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Or at least do their best to keep homosexuals from oppressing them.

Because gays in this country have been extremely successful at promoting regulation that has infringed on the ability of a religious person to freely practice their religion.

Oh wait, that hasn't happened at all, nor is anyone even trying to do that. The only thing that has happened is that religious groups have had some political control wrested from them. That's how a free country works.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Because gays in this country have been extremely successful at promoting regulation that has infringed on the ability of a religious person to freely practice their religion.

Oh wait, that hasn't happened at all, nor is anyone even trying to do that. The only thing that has happened is that religious groups have had some political control wrested from them. That's how a free country works.

It's really telling that in the US and Britain that the biggest threat Christians face in today's world is the loss of their ability to enact their hatred of homosexuality into law.......................So much for their "Love God"........................
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Or at least do their best to keep homosexuals from oppressing them.

You're just trying to be provocative, and aren't serious. We know this for a fact, because we know you're not a mouth-breathing moron.

I wonder what the anti-gay folks think of the Ugandan proposals on how to deal with homosexuality?
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Like I said, you don't understand the story of Sodom and Gommorah, nor what sodomy means. It does not mean men having sex with men. It is defined as any sexual act that is not penile-vaginal in nature.

You really need to learn these definitions. Not knowing them makes your arguments look really bad.

I do understand the story of Sodom and Gommorah, and I do understand what Sodomy means.


Definition of SODOMY

: anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex; also : copulation with an animal
sod·om·it·ic \ˌsä-də-ˈmi-tik\ or sod·om·it·i·cal \-ti-kəl\ adjective

See sodomy defined for English-language learners »

Origin of SODOMY

Middle English, from Anglo-French sodomie, from Late Latin Sodoma Sodom; from the homosexual proclivities of the men of the city in Genesis 19:1–11 First Known Use: 13th century

 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

You're just trying to be provocative, and aren't serious. We know this for a fact, because we know you're not a mouth-breathing moron.
Thank you for the false compliment, Struck, but you and I both know that you believe all non-lefties are mouth breathing morons.

I wonder what the anti-gay folks think of the Ugandan proposals on how to deal with homosexuality?
I don't have time to care, quite frankly. There's enough wrong behavior to deal with right here in the U.S. ;)
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Thank you for the false compliment, Struck, but you and I both know that you believe all non-lefties are mouth breathing morons.

I don't think any such thing.

I don't have time to care, quite frankly. There's enough wrong behavior to deal with right here in the U.S. ;)

True, there's lots of gay-haters everywhere to educate.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Because gays in this country have been extremely successful at promoting regulation that has infringed on the ability of a religious person to freely practice their religion.
Not yet. But they are being extremely successful in transforming our society into a moral wasteland.

Oh wait, that hasn't happened at all, nor is anyone even trying to do that. The only thing that has happened is that religious groups have had some political control wrested from them.
That's one way to look at it... the Left's way, to be precise. The reality is, your kind of thinking will have clone cities of Detroit dotting the entire map.

That's how a free country works.
Wrong. That's how a free country works itself into tyranny.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

I do understand the story of Sodom and Gommorah

Cool.

Should we all be like Lot, then, and offer up our young teenage daughters to be gang raped, and end up impregnating them later on?

Such moral lessons to be learned here!
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Cool.

Should we all be like Lot, then, and offer up our young teenage daughters to be gang raped, and end up impregnating them later on?

Such moral lessons to be learned here!

Not sure how that was relevant actually. Or even logical....
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

It's really telling that in the US and Britain that the biggest threat Christians face in today's world is the loss of their ability to enact their hatred of homosexuality into law.......................So much for their "Love God"........................
The god you're describing is a sex god. There's no such thing as a sex god. There is, however, such a thing as a sexual pervert.

Yes, God is loving, but he's also bound by justice. Unrepentant sinners have no out. Unrepentant homosexuals have no out, just like any other unrepentant sinner has no out.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

I don't think any such thing.
You mean you won't consciously verbalize any such thing in public. ;)

True, there's lots of gay-haters everywhere to educate.
You mean there's lot's of 'gay-haters' to coerce into your warped way of thinking.

There's lot of work to do here, Strucker. Perversion abounds in these parts, and you're feeding the fire. Why?
 
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