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    15 15.79%
  • Southern Baptist Convention

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  • United Methodist Church

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  • Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

    8 8.42%
  • None will be standing

    24 25.26%
  • One or more will still be standing

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Thread: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743:1845; 2006]

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Are you actually asking us to back up your claim?
    No, I'm asking you to get up to speed. Don't play dumb here.

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    No, I'm asking you to get up to speed. Don't play dumb here.
    Not gonna work. Gay people are making no demands on the Churches. You are stating otherwise. Prove it.
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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Not gonna work.
    Nothing ever works for people like you, but we'll start here, anyways:

    Openly gay Mormon member wants church to evolve | azfamily.com Phoenix

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Racism exists primarily on the Left.
    I guess that made the Mormons and Southern Baptists leftists then.

    Polygamy has always been selective at best, and usually practiced by the highly spiritual, or prophets themselves.
    That doesn't change the fact that Polygamy is explicitly condoned in the bible and modern prohibition against it is based on social attitudes not scripture.

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    still Mormons that still think black is basically a sin
    Mormons do not think any such thing.
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    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    This from the side that likes to accuse those of us with religious beliefs of bigotry. Only goes to show what I always say—that those who most loudly purport to condemn bigotry usually turn out to be the worst bigots of all.
    It's not bigotry to point out reality and the reality is that virtually all major religions, especially Christianity, are hemorrhaging members. Don't mistake fact for bigotry.
    I wasn't calling that bigotry. This is what I correctly was calling out as bigotry:

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's just stupid beliefs, based on fantasy, believed by the ignorant and emotionally immature.

    Aside from simply being factually wrong, it is an expression of outright bigotry, worse than any of which you have falsely accused others.

    I think it is safe to say that the average person of faith is far less ignorant than yourself; and far more mature, emotionally or otherwise. It is certainly clear that by making such a statement, you expose a rather significant degree of your own ignorance and immaturity
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Mormons do not think any such thing.
    sorry but the fact remains there are still Mormons that do not allow blacks to lay in priesthood and can not participate in most temple ordinances, including the endowment and celestial marriage. they believe to still be the mark of cain and to be a curse. Its racist and they still exist, whether you agree with these Mormons or not is meaningless to their beliefs. You lose to facts again.
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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Nothing ever works for people like you, but we'll start here, anyways:

    Openly gay Mormon member wants church to evolve | azfamily.com Phoenix
    You are calling this a demand? He is trying to persuade, yes. But that is hardly a demand. Equality under the law is demanded, and rightly so. Acceptance in the Churches is requested. There is a big difference. Many Churches have found their compassionate spirit. Others have not yet. Those that have, have done so of their own wisdom, not because it was demanded of them.

    As I thought, you have zero. If you led off with your best, then don't bother further. But, I will tell you this: you must show a preponderance of Churches under pressure from gay people making demands.
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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    The silliness here is that some people actually think the religious go through changes out of faith. Churches go through changes out of social pressure each and every single time. Mormons started letting blacks get into the priesthood because they were about to set up shop in Latin America. Catholics gave up on slavery after blacks in Haiti burnt down a few very rich estates owned by rich French Catholics. Protestants ran away from Africa when they realized South Americans were more docile. The Catholic Church gave up on forcefully imposing pictures of white saints when they realized that letting people adopt local saints could achieve the same goals.

    Now with gays becoming part of the social mainstream, religion has to change. 30 years ago nobody, absolutely nobody, would have imagined a gay parade. Homosexuality is no longer a taboo subject. It's debated, talked about, shown as part of pornography, experimented with, romanticized, idolized. It's everywhere. They, the religious, wouldn't have imagined gay spa's, restaurants, villages, etc. Today, most major cities have an area where gays feel welcomed and can party to their hearts desires. To their credit, some gays are actually extremely religious. Having spent nearly 9 months working in a Latin American country, I can tell you first hand that there are gays who will show up to church like clockwork on Sunday after a long night at the bar on Friday/Saturday. Not to repent for their "sins" but to simply bask in a community that has some values they approve of.

    All that aside, if religion wants a piece of that gay $$$ train. It's going to have to start letting them in. Muslims won't go down as easily (pun intended) - but then again - the image is a lot more complex. Lebanon is liberalizing slowly. Iran is a gay hellhole. Unless you're a transexual. Then, they're pretty nice to you. Turkey, Bahrain and Indonesia allow some forms of homosexuality. Saudi Arabia is still dealing with such nuances like women having rights, so not much can be expected from them. However, progress is being made in these countries as well.

    Judaism isn't into recruiting so who honestly gives two ****s how they feel. Then again, Israel is the most progressive as far as gay marriage goes. They have common law marriage for gays. Which is, as good as you're going to get right now in the Middle East. Other countries in the Mediterranean have their issues. Greece allows for same sex partnerships, but doesn't grant them any of the protections straights get. Italy for its part allowed gays to serve and has them protected under their constitution. So that's a good side.

    Africa still sucks when it comes to gay rights. All of it sucks when it comes to gay rights.

    In conclusion: Civilization is moving forward. 60 years from now, we will no longer hear about gays being persecuted in "civilized" countries where the majority of people have electricity and computers. As more information becomes available to every little nook and cranny in the world, people are now finally being allowed to make decisions in regards to how they feel about homosexuality. They no longer have to sit in a church or go to a local religious leader to ask questions. They can simply say "you know what? I'll learn about it myself". And we're starting to see the results of that. Some Muslim countries now have leaders advocating for change. Gays have constitutions to protect them as minorities. Even socially conservative countries like Mexico have begun to see gays as a group that deserves just as much protection as all others.

    It's an exciting time to be a supporter of gay rights whether you're gay or straight. We are witnessing social changes that will only occur in our generation. The next one will have to find something else to be worry about.
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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    I've noticed a lot of churches have been caving in to the demands of gay activists, so my question here is, which of the remaining 4 will still be standing after the dust settles?
    You do realize that the "Gay Agenda" is completely made up and nothing more than extreme religious right propaganda, don't you? It was created by the Family Research Council, notorious for presenting false information about homosexuals.

    So, with the premise of your thread shown to be debunked, I see no purpose for your thread at all.
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