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Thread: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743:1845; 2006]

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    Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    This is an interesting philosophical dilemma. If there is a God, then there is a truth. If that God has rules, then morality is absolute. The fact that man does not know God nor know God's rules does not change the fact that morality is absolute. If one has a belief, then they also believe that morality is absolute.

    Of course, if there is no God, the concept of morality is considerably different. For one, morality becomes more about ethics than morals as virtue is more rooted in philosophy than truth. In that case, "morality" is relative.

    When you suggest that morality is relative, that statement is more about ethics: respecting the rights of others to have different belief systems. Despite the fact that people have different belief systems does not mean that each of those belief systems is correct; in fact, most of them (the specific systems) will be wrong.
    The problem in this world is that the 3 Abrahamic religions are so out there they don't even see themselves as "religions", they see themselves as "reality"......................

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    Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    God's morality is clearly written in the Bible, we can interpret it but if we are wrong we are wrong. Someone can incorrectly say that the Bible approves of homosexuality or any other sin that they want to feel comfortable committing or supporting, but it doesn't make it true. That's why it's crucial to read the Bible in context with prayer guided by the Holy Spirit.
    God's morality is clearly written in the bible, but we see different interpretations all the time. For example, someone can incorrectly say that the bible disapproves of homosexuality, but that doesn't make it true. Also, since many religions have many different versions of God's word, YOUR belief of what the word is happens to be relative and not applicable to anyone else.


    No, I gave an example. Just as how human laws are a higher power when humans do immoral things, God's laws are a higher power that all humans will be judged under when they die. Someone can hold their relative beliefs about something and be wrong because absolute exists and truth is knowable. Humans can change human laws, God can change His laws, but the laws on the books are absolute. if someone murders and they are judged it is absolutely a crime, in much the same way if someone sins they will be judged for it and it will absolutely be sin.
    No, what you showed is that people perceive God's word differently and how society views it and applies it is relative.
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    Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The churches will make whatever decision they wish to make. And that's fine, freedom of religion and all.
    Agreed. So let's hope churches won't feel compelled to do this:

    Churches Amend Bylaws to Protect Against Gay Marriage Lawsuits - Christian News, Commentary

    Oh, wait...

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    Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Agreed. So let's hope churches won't feel compelled to do this:

    Churches Amend Bylaws to Protect Against Gay Marriage Lawsuits - Christian News, Commentary

    Oh, wait...
    Churches can do whatever the heck they want. They can't be forced to hold same sex marriages. They can choose to allow them, but they cannot be forced. It's their choice, their expression, the State will always issue these contracts regardless of Religious objection. So who cares?

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    Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    The problem in this world is that the 3 Abrahamic religions are so out there they don't even see themselves as "religions", they see themselves as "reality"......................
    If you believe there is a God, then you believe there is an absolute truth. If you one of the 3 Abrahamic religions (and there are really only two as Christianity and Judaism are essentially the same) is correct, then that one has reality. That said, religions are creations of man and as such is inherently flawed; a theology, on the other hand, is a personal belief system. One's theology could be correct and therefore reality, yet their religion, as a creation man, is just a religion.

    (if I go on with this much longer, I may have to smoke a joint just to keep up with myself)

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    Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Freedom...it's a bitch sometimes, but it's better than the alternative.
    Damn straight! Now how about a movie in Manhattan? I'll buy the 32oz Coke. Oh, wait....

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    Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    If you believe there is a God, then you believe there is an absolute truth. If you one of the 3 Abrahamic religions (and there are really only two as Christianity and Judaism are essentially the same) is correct, then that one has reality. That said, religions are creations of man and as such is inherently flawed; a theology, on the other hand, is a personal belief system. One's theology could be correct and therefore reality, yet their religion, as a creation man, is just a religion.

    (if I go on with this much longer, I may have to smoke a joint just to keep up with myself)
    Please do. I'm sure you won't sound any less incoherent.

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    Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Damn straight! Now how about a movie in Manhattan? I'll buy the 32oz Coke. Oh, wait....
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    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    I think that all four churches will do their best to oppress homosexuals...
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    Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Churches can do whatever the heck they want. They can't be forced to hold same sex marriages. They can choose to allow them, but they cannot be forced. It's their choice, their expression, the State will always issue these contracts regardless of Religious objection. So who cares?

    Freedom...it's a bitch sometimes, but it's better than the alternative.

    Re Dooble's article -
    "It would seem that the law now is that churches do not have to perform marriages that violate its beliefs," Erwin said. "However, if a church rents out its facilities for weddings to anyone but same-sex couples, then a court could find that the church is discriminating in violation of law by only refusing to rent to homosexuals
    Churches Amend Bylaws to Protect Against Gay Marriage Lawsuits - Christian News, Commentary


    If a church has a public meeting hall that anyone can use regardless of faith, then yeah, they might be in trouble if they refused to allow a same sex wedding there. But the church minister/pastor/priest doesn't have to perform the ceremony.

    If they don't want to let same sex couples rent their hall, they might want to get out of the business of renting it out for profit.

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